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TLB said:
I hope you do understand that this is not something that warrants an FBI investigation (I don't recall who asked for it, but I'd love to find out, because I'm betting they most certainly would know it is not an FBI thing).

Why do I make that statement?
Because the FBI has already done background checks on him multiple times and found nothing.
Because for ANYONE to do an investigation there needs to be something to investigate - 38ys after the fact with only a he-said-she-said, there is nothing that can be investigated.
Because American legal jurisdictions point the FEDERAL Bureau of Investigations to FEDERAL crimes. This is something that, if it were reported (38y ago or yesterday) with ANYTHING that could be investigated, it would be a local law enforcement (city police most likely, unless outside of city limits which then invokes the county sheriff or state patrol, not the FEDERAL investigators).

In light of it being investigated by the FBI, do you stand by this post?

it's a shame things are so polarised that people tend to believe one side and one side only, but i'm sure i'm not the only person to be disturbed by some of the things that have been said in this process.
you don't need to be a sexual assault survivor to be troubled by the dismissals of the claims against kavanaugh.
i daresay that if testimony from victims of sex crimes wasn't considered to be reasonable evidence, rape allegations would never result in convictions - or even charges being laid.

again, i think it is pretty horrifying to see sexual assault accusations being disregarded for political reasons.
i think the abuse dr ford has copped in pretty shameful, really.

"the left" (and the dems) in america always seem to get accused of playing the victim card, being emotional and hysterical.
it's interesting to see that kavanaugh's tears and accusations of unfairness don't register in the same way. :\

politics aside, i think he's revealed how professional and appropriate he is as a supreme court nominee.
 
"[FONT="]Radio host and National Rifle Association spokeswoman Dana Loesch said that to torpedo Kavanaugh would usher in a “new standard of not being judged by your competency as an adult, but by your fart jokes and beer drinking as a teenager (as no evidence has materialized to prove true any of these claims).”[/FONT]"

I don't remember Ford saying anything about fart jokes when she was being questioned. Maybe I missed that part.

Then again... maybe that's why the two boys were laughing!!

Equating fart jokes with sexual assault seems like a terrifying insight into the proponent of this particular line of thought. :|

I do like the fact that this NRA spokeswoman is thought to have seen Kavanaugh "torpedoed" though.
 
Equating fart jokes with sexual assault seems like a terrifying insight into the proponent of this particular line of thought. :|

I do like the fact that this NRA spokeswoman is thought to have seen Kavanaugh "torpedoed" though.
Sorry. I went a little too far on that one.
Yeah. That one was hard to swallow. I thought maybe I had misread it or it was a typo.
does "boof" mean pluggin'?

can any (ex?) fratboys enlighten me? :)
I think my friends used to say that 'boofing' is a method of rectally using an drug.
 
iridescentblack said:
I think my friends used to say that 'boofing' is a method of rectally using an drug.

yeah, that's what i read. references to "boofing" in some quote from him back in the day.
apparently he claimed it means "fart", but that's been contradicted by other sources -

“I like beer,” he said. “Do you like beer, senator? What do you like to drink.”

When Whitehouse ignored his question, Kavanaugh repeated, “Senator, what do you like to drink.”

Whitehouse then asked Kavanaugh about the yearbook line, “Have you boofed yet?”

Kavanaugh said it wasn’t drinking-related.

“That refers to flatulence. We were 16,” he said.

The entry was from the 1983 Georgetown Preparatory School yearbook, when Kavanaugh, who was born in February of 1965 would have been 18.

UrbanDictionary.com defines boofing as abusing a substance by inserting it into one’s rectum.

Vox.com speculated it was a “slang term for anal sex.”

Westword, a free alternative weekly in Denver, Colo., wrote in a 2017 article that boofing was inserting drugs and alcohol up one’s rectum.
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it's nice to see such a bluelight subject make an appearance in the debate about a supreme court judge.
gotta give the trump administration some credit there, i suppose.

i guess it goes without saying that this is probably the most scatological presidential administration the united states have seen in many years.

at this point i wouldn't be shocked to see trump just get up on the podium at one of his rallies and make fart sounds for 20 minutes.
 
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does "boof" mean pluggin'?

can any (ex?) fratboys enlighten me? :)


I think my friends used to say that 'boofing' is a method of rectally using an drug.


yeah, that's what i read. references to "boofing" in some quote from him back in the day.
apparently he claimed it means "fart", but that's been contradicted by other sources -


link

it's nice to see such a bluelight subject make an appearance in the debate about a supreme court judge.
gotta give the trump administration some credit there, i suppose.

i guess it goes without saying that this is probably the most scatological presidential administration the united states have seen in many years.

at this point i wouldn't be shocked to see trump just get up on the podium at one of his rallies and make fart sounds for 20 minutes.

FFS...I know I'm out of touch a bit, but I'm learning too many new words on BL lately. Boof is certainly not one I imagined learning (certainly wasn't looking to learn that one 8( ).

After laughing a bit at sj's last line, and imagining Trump having a fart-off for a debate, or public address...I then sobered up and realized it wouldn't surprise me a bit :\
 
In light of it being investigated by the FBI, do you stand by this post?

it's a shame things are so polarised that people tend to believe one side and one side only, but i'm sure i'm not the only person to be disturbed by some of the things that have been said in this process.
you don't need to be a sexual assault survivor to be troubled by the dismissals of the claims against kavanaugh.
i daresay that if testimony from victims of sex crimes wasn't considered to be reasonable evidence, rape allegations would never result in convictions - or even charges being laid.

again, i think it is pretty horrifying to see sexual assault accusations being disregarded for political reasons.
i think the abuse dr ford has copped in pretty shameful, really.

"the left" (and the dems) in america always seem to get accused of playing the victim card, being emotional and hysterical.
it's interesting to see that kavanaugh's tears and accusations of unfairness don't register in the same way. :\

politics aside, i think he's revealed how professional and appropriate he is as a supreme court nominee.

I think there are two different issues at hand, that are getting outrage responses by proximity. Here's my take, fwiw:

For Kavanaugh, the true outrage is that a man who is presented as a strong candidate for a gov't position is derailed by politics. Specifically by politics utilizing sabatoge timing and unsubstantiated allegations where there is nothing to defend himself from ...because anything put up as a mark against him (as the teenager committing the assault) is struck down (ie, witnesses named by the accuser denying the allegations). It is a shitshow, and he's being wrongfully subjected to it because of partisan politics.

For Ford, the true outrage is the difficulty victims face in coming forward. Nobody stopped their attacker or made it difficult for them at the time, and yet, to get justice the accuser is asked to come forth with irrefutable proof of the event (thereby keeping constant reminder of what they already suffered in the forefront of what they must deal with), and of exactly WHO it was that did this to them. metoo, IMO, is a good movement to bring to light these offenses. We have rape kits, when applicable, to capture indisputable DNA samples on WHO did this. And then, if there is enough to bring charges, the victim faces harsh examination and doubting public views (in most cases) during trial...or there isn't enough for charges and the victim has to live with this without justice, closure, or an answer to why. Neither is appealing, so it is understandable that coming forward takes a lot of courage. The outrage of Ford having to face this and having doubt cast upon her assertions is certainly real, and somewhat warranted given the lack of proof. CH commented how anyone could watch Ford's testimony and not be moved must be not right in the head (I haven't seen it, can't say for myself), but I believe she was assaulted, and the testimony was truthful even with the holes in it so far. I can't see someone coming forward and facing this pressure and harassment voluntarily unless they wanted closure to a personal and deep event. Politics on the other side can paint her as a liar, question her motives, etc. I don't. I think her pain is real.

To answer the question, yes I still stand by those words. Because the FBI are asked to investigate does not mean there are grounds for the investigation, nor that the FBI are the right folks to do it, IMO. The investigation is driven by political demands, not merit. I expect, at best, the investigation may uncover proof that Ford was sexually attacked by a teenage boy back then. I also expect that it wasn't Kavenaugh. I also expect they may find one, or more, other men who it could have been if they don't find the exact guy it was. This allows Ford to walk it back on mistaken identity, but retain her victimhood of the experience, and hopefully seek justice on it since Maryland has no statute of limitations (though, I'm not quite sure what the charge would/could be). This also allows Dems to backpedal in that they were acting in good faith on her claims in an effort to stop who they believed was guilty of sexual assault (oh, so sorry, carry on) since their larger plan of delay-delay-delay will be sunk (again, my opinion this is their true motive). I expect, at worst, the FBI finds NOTHING, which does not allow for Kavanaugh to have a fully cleared name, nor Ford any sense of closure or justice on her attacker, and politicians can extend the delay-delay-delay with more of the same while driving our political system further from functional and closer to playground antics (or should I say HS jealousy games).


Why am I so firm it wasn't him? There is nothing to date that points to him, and his history indicates he wouldn't do it. I'm in a similar boat, and am confident I could be accused like this but it would be impossible for anyone to provide proof. My character and history isn't as squeaky clean as his (hell, I associate with YOU guys ;) ), so I doubt I'd ever make it to the SC (not interested, thanks for offering). But I can see where I could be put in the same position by false claims or mistaken identity, and I know for a fact I have never done such a thing. I see the struggle he is facing, and I empathize.
 
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...l-drinking-age-18_us_5baea717e4b027da00d33d5f

WOW, PERJURY

I'm shocked. You as a FEDERAL JUDGE can't look up BASIC LAWS like a drinking age at that point in time?

You had plenty of time to prepare, wow. Good going Kavanaugh. I'm sure he'd be a horrible sitting Supreme Court judge.

Ignorance of the law isn't a defense and I'm imagining he's said those exact words as a judge to people.

CH commented how anyone could watch Ford's testimony and not be moved must be not right in the head

That's not what I said, I said if that didn't move you then nothing would. That's what I remember saying.

I think if you weren’t moved to believe Ford by watching the testimonies then nothing will. #flakenews lol loved the YouTube live steam comments section.

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After laughing a bit at sj's last line, and imagining Trump having a fart-off for a debate, or public address...I then sobered up and realized it wouldn't surprise me a bit :\

a tad off-topic, but iu just saw this article and figured i'd share because it's topical and possibly somewhat amusing;

Mommy dearest: a psychiatrist puts Trump on the couch
Dr Justin Frank thinks the president has an erotic attachment to his daughter and a fixation with faeces and dirt
 
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...l-drinking-age-18_us_5baea717e4b027da00d33d5f

WOW, PERJURY

I'm shocked. You as a FEDERAL JUDGE can't look up BASIC LAWS like a drinking age at that point in time?

You had plenty of time to prepare, wow. Good going Kavanaugh. I'm sure he'd be a horrible sitting Supreme Court judge.

Ignorance of the law isn't a defense and I'm imagining he's said those exact words as a judge to people.

I think perjury includes the intent to mislead. Having grown up around that time, though in a different state, I remember it being 18 then changing to 21. I can't tell you exactly when it occurred, but I can tell you I was never of age until 21 because I was too young when it DID change. I can also tell you HS boys and girls of all ages were drinking, regardless of the law. I sincerely doubt he was trying to mislead. And it's not exactly a bit of law he'd have researched in case the question came up, he was answering from memory.



That's not what I said, I said if that didn't move you then nothing would. That's what I remember saying.

Apologies. I was going from memory and not intentionally trying to twist your words. I was trying to reflect them accurately, but would have been better served by quoting them as you did.
 
I think perjury includes the intent to mislead. Having grown up around that time, though in a different state, I remember it being 18 then changing to 21. I can't tell you exactly when it occurred, but I can tell you I was never of age until 21 because I was too young when it DID change. I can also tell you HS boys and girls of all ages were drinking, regardless of the law. I sincerely doubt he was trying to mislead. And it's not exactly a bit of law he'd have researched in case the question came up, he was answering from memory.

It looks really bad if he didn't do any legal preparation in at least researching what he believes to be the truth, etc. It seems very sloppy like he didn't think he needed to prepare, at all, and was just going to play political/gender lines to his advantage.

What happened to ignorance of the law is no defense?

"He was answering from memory" well, so was Ford, and emotion will move us to believe one over the other. It doesn't help when you're stating falsehoods. Even I'd have done a little basic research. It's the best job position possible for a judge, yes? How would you not put your all into that job interview, etc? I mean come on? Does he really deserve it if he can't work overtime and bust ass over this?

It's almost like he's the Kenn State gun girl walking around with the nomination and seat on a strap asking people to just come take it from him. :|
 
lied about his drinking habits



But then again, this is BL so I expect we'll kind of let omissions about the extent of his drinking slide.

It's almost like he's the Kenn State gun girl walking around with the nomination and seat on a strap asking people to just come take it from him. :|

It is unfortunate I cannot draw as this would make a great political cartoon.
 
I hear a good statement that I'm gonna paraphrase: 'Ford has everything to lose by coming out with this, Kavanaugh has everything to gain by lying'.
 
Ford has made $700,000 on GoFundMe.

And it doesn't matter WHY. This is sophistry. People lie for all kinds of reasons. Hell, some are just liars (not saying Ford is. I think she might have convinced herself about this with coaching.)

The ONLY question is, is she telling the truth?

The lack of evidence in the link is damning.

Why don't we go to the most important, the 4 other witnesses. Who say it never happened.
 
Thing is, she well could be recalling the incident as it happened. It's pretty common for drunken teenagers to not be in control of themselves.

I'm pretty sure this has happened pretty much everywhere, what does she want done about it?
 
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