Jungle Spice

[cleverever22]

Anybody else here dabble with jungle spice/mystery alkaloids of MHRB. The effects are similar in nature to pure n-dmt, but there is definitely a different kick in the spice.

I know many refuse to smoke anything but the most refined crystals possible.. Is jungle spice something that shouldn't be dabbled with?

 

[Estimated Prophet]

i personally smoke it and dont find anything wrong with it, i actually kind of like it more than pure dmt in some ways. I dont see why it shouldn't be dabbled with any more than normal dmt, it does have a sinister side to it, but you have to embrace that and go with it.

 

[IGNVS]

dude junglespice is superstrait in my book i think i have a couple threads on the stuff either here or in ADD

 

[StickyChron]

I've just gained access to Jungle Spice, it is described as a orange/yellowish waxy compound, similar in most respects to earwax. Anyway have any info as to what it will actually produce, experience wise?

 

[Jblazingphoenix100]

THis is where we need GC/MS or whatever - surely the waxy coloured masses are the plants fats and oils?!?! When you get rid of them, you have DMT.

Mimosa Hostilis is not described as having any other alkaloids in it's contents anywhere I've seen, but I haven't done extensive research - just done a number of extractions with it and Acacia bark.

Personally I like mixing up a bowl or orangey gunk, the yellow waxy crystalline and the pure white crystals...this will last a few people at least.

 

[greenmeanies]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuremamine

notice the basic DMT structure augmented by a very interesting pair of phenols. that kind of modification hints that it may be only one of a spectrum of bizarre alkaloids that are completely unstudied at the moment.

additional reading, including suppositions that cold-water extracts of plain mimosa root are orally active without MAOI due to the jungle spice component:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7238780

http://www.entheogen.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-18296.html

 

[beardface]

Jungle spice ftw. I reckon the impurities add the flavour to the experience. At least ime concerning a "crude" product vs. a purer white one. I like mine a bit earwaxy

 

[Ismene]

At what dose are these alleged alkaloids supposed to be active? Presumably they're going to be present in mimosa at a lower dose than the DMT? So if you're noticing them above the maelstrom of a powerful DMT trip they've got to be one pretty fucking powerful psychedelic.

The trouble with a lot of accounts you get from people caught up in the whole "spirit of the plant" idea is they they can notice effects from just about anything - even if there arn't any real effects at all. If you told them a peice of dried dogshit was "from the plant" they would smoke it and say it was righteously mellow.

This is also a big problem when you read native american accounts of tripping on ayahuasca - when you're in a religious fervour about something your mind can very easily make up fantasies about what's happening to you - try reading the Old Testament for a view of what kind of "visions" people can have without ever taking a psychedelic.

 

[greenmeanies]

the problem with trace alkaloids is that it is VERY easy to alter the subjective nature of a trip. for example, 4-HO-NMT and 4-HO-T (baeocystin and norbaeo) are both confirmed "inactive" in humans, but there are so many subjective differences between pure 4-HO-DMT and mushrooms that there must be SOME qualitative component coming from the trace alkaloids.

as to your last comment--- how are you so sure they weren't inhaling the burning bush?

 

[Ismene]

It's easy to think that the trip is altered by trace alkaloids but the question is whether it's all placebo or not.

I remember I once had a couple of jars full of capsuled mushrooms in the freezer - one was cubensis and the other was truffles. For some reason I'd become convinced that they gave different trips - one was "more visual" and "righteously mellow" etc. Then I took a dose one day and had a great trip, exactly what I was expecting from the cubensis. I was saying to myself "No way could the truffles ever give a trip like that".

Then I looked at the jar I'd taken the capsules from and realised it was the truffles jar.

how are you so sure they weren't inhaling the burning bush?

Good point gm, I was recently reading that book that says all the old testament comes from guys who were on mushrooms

 

[any major dude]

I can't find the link at the moment, but there is an extraction tek for jungle spice, to be performed after 3-4 pulls of DMT. The author and a number of others claimed activity, and I think i've read about other people using the tek & having interesting results as well. May have to try that at some point.

Been quite a while since i've extracted DMT, but when I did several others, in addition to myself, noted qualitative differences in the white crystalline stuff i crash precipitated and the yellow to orange gooey stuff. A number of friends even preferred the latter (going to boogertown as we called it, lol). This could be placebo based on appearance, but the differences reported were similar across all users.

Oh, and Benny Shannon has a lot of good academic research on use of psychoactives in ancient Judaism & early Christianity. Read a pretty good article in Free Inquiry last year titled "Visions & the Origins of Christianity" by a different author. Don't think its online, but its in the issue titled The Ethics of Neurochemical Enhancement so between those articles & the one mentioned above, its definitely worth the $6 for the back issue

 

[dg420]

I can't find the link at the moment, but there is an extraction tek for jungle spice, to be performed after 3-4 pulls of DMT. The author and a number of others claimed activity, and I think i've read about other people using the tek & having interesting results as well. May have to try that at some point.

you just use a less selective solvent, xylene or toluene, for the last pull
which pulls out colored impurities along with the dmt

the alkaloids wont crash out of toluene easily, so you need to evap it all, or salt it out

 

[Ismene]

You can get yellow/orange DMT simply by re-using the naptha from the first pull.

 

[Ismene]

Oh, and Benny Shannon has a lot of good academic research on use of psychoactives in ancient Judaism & early Christianity. Read a pretty good article in Free Inquiry last year titled "Visions & the Origins of Christianity" by a different author. Don't think its online, but its in the issue titled The Ethics of Neurochemical Enhancement so between those articles & the one mentioned above, its definitely worth the $6 for the back issue

Just read an article where Benny says that Moses was high on acacia when he recieved the 10 commandments. How seriously do you take stuff like that? You can have visions without being on psychedelic drugs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eceived-Ten-Commandments-claims-academic.html

 

[any major dude]

I certainly agree one can have visions without using psychedelics, however it is much easier with them

And i take any study of the history of levantine religions with an appropriate amount of salt. No one can say with certitude whether Moses existed or is an amalgamation of stories from various local religious traditions, let alone if he took psychoactive substances. There is considerable mention of various intoxicating plants in both the Old Testament and some of ancient Judaism's more esoteric texts. And that is far from out of place among other Mediterranean religions, or most religions honestly. Whether or not a religious tradition has used psychoactive substances seems more a matter of biodiversity than anything else. And some of the more "hard science" researchers that have been looking at psilocybin of late have stated that in studying "mystical" or primary religious experience, they are probing the basis of ethical & moral behavior. There are several routes to inducing such experiences, but the easiest, most reliable & repeatable, is usage of psychedelics.

I'm far from 100% sure that Moses (if he is a historical figure) was on DMT when he received the 10 commandments, but at the very least it is no more outlandish than speaking with a deity.

Here's the citation for the "Jungle Spice" extraction tek. Couldn't find the text immediately, but i'm sure its online somewhere:
Entropymancer 2008. "'Jungle Spice': Mystery Alkaloid(s) of Mimosa Root-bark", The Entheogen Review 16(3): 87-108.]