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Jeremy Corbyn: A very old fashioned breath of fresh air?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahhahahahaha! Always a good sign when that nobber posts a video. Makes things clear and simple to all. Whatever he says, the opposite is bound to be the way forward. Who said cabbies were living cliches? :D

Although, only a minute in and am now assuming he is actually meant to be a parody? Doesn't really fit with anything else he says.. perhaps I should just wait to watch the whole thing before commenting :o

Well. That was... loud. Genuinely don't know what to think of the chap now. Wasn't he massively in favour of UKIP previously? If he was just one of those "anti-establishment" Ukippery types then it's nice to see a change towards more genuinely subversive - as opposed to LIttle Englander reactionary - notions.
 
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He was never ukip-friendly since i've listened to him; rabidly anti whenever i've heard him mention them - the lefty cabbie is part of the irony of what makes him the 'artist' taxi driver i reckon :) (always been sound whenever i've listened (quite often) - loud, but sound - compassionate - i agree with nearly everything i've heard him say tbh (i especially love when he talks about the queen and her goat legs and million pound hat)

(the first link with him mixed into some dub is cool too)
 
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I'm a fan of Jeremy becoming the leader of the party. I don't think he's going to be elected prime minister but I do believe it's going to tear the Labour party apart and I'm very interested to find out what comes from the fall out. The Labour party simply cannot continue being Tory-lite. We need some genuine opposition and that's what I'm hoping will come from this.
 
New labour have got the cheek/lack of irony to slyly suggest corbyn is some sort of potential stalin when things like this are going on:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...chfinder-general-politics-appeal-young-people

My middle son received an email from the local Labour party, regarding the scrutiny of new membership applications. It’s not about his application – he joined six months ago, and appears to be considered something of a senior figure in the party – but about those of two boys in his year at school. One, the party suspects, is actually a Conservative supporter, and therefore faces expulsion “under clause 2.I.4.B of the Labour party rules”. The other, well, they’re just suspicious. Could my son please confirm that his classmate is a secret Tory, or provide assurances that his other classmate is as Labour as he claims?

Let us put aside for a moment the fact that everyone concerned in this micro-witchhunt is 17 (I’ve got a feeling the sender of the email isn’t long out of school himself) – an age when your track record as a supporter of anything is liable to be brief or non-existent, and precisely the time of your life when you might experience a genuine change of heart. And let’s forget about the muddy nature of loyalty and how it might colour any answer to that email.

Instead, let’s look on the bright side: by encouraging students to rat on one another, Labour has found a way of making politics relevant to young people again. Imagine being backed against the common room wall, lifted up by your tie and asked: “Did you snake me out to the acting vice-chair of the constituency membership committee?” (I am assured by another son that this is the appropriate language to use in such a situation, although he does have a habit of winding me up about this sort of thing.) Suddenly school politics and party politics are one and the same.

For the record my son is friends with both students (he instantly forwarded the email to them) and says their support for Labour is genuine. He reckons the Labour party’s doubts are founded on an essay written by one of the boys before the election, explaining why he would vote Conservative if only he were old enough, which appears somewhere on the school’s website.

According to my son – a witness – both the subject and the stance of this essay were assignments: no one in the classroom put their hand up when the pro-Tory line was offered.
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Vurtual said:
He was never ukip-friendly since i've listened to him; rabidly anti whenever i've heard him mention them - the lefty cabbie is part of the irony of what makes him the 'artist' taxi driver i reckon :) (always been sound whenever i've listened (quite often) - loud, but sound - compassionate - i agree with nearly everything i've heard him say tbh (i especially love when he talks about the queen and her goat legs and million pound hat)

(the first link with him mixed into some dub is cool too)
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In all honesty, I've only watched a couple and skimmed a few more. My opinion is mostly based on the comments made by people who post his vids fairly regularly as being representative of their (genuinely) somewhat Ukippery views. Perhaps I am not the only one blinded by excessive sarcasm :o
 
I've never heard him be anything but lefty - but i suppose the common ground with a kipper is 'anti-establishment' (however differently mark and a ukipper might describe the establishment). I guess might also help understand how a (soft)ukipper might actually like jeremy corbyn - i've read quite a few comments from ukippers along the lines of 'well the establishment are all against him, so he must be doing something right' - i'm guessing ukippers feel aggrieved that the establishment ganged up on nigel and recognise the tactics against corbyn (this is true leading up to the election, but only after they'd boosted him for several years first to push everyone else rightwards imo)
 
I don't know why most of the english electorate are right wing and counter progressive but it fucks up quite a lot in this country.. The Conservative Party doesn't say "self-determination" to me, it say's "Silver Spoon and Inequality". The only chance of not having a conservative government really is to have a strong Labour party, though the only way they can get into power is by placating a big enough section of the rightwing fence voters, and Jeremy Corbyn will scare them well away and we'll have a conservative government for another 15 years.
 
Is that really true or has there just been no credible left alternative allowed or even discussed for the last couple of decades? Granted the polls seem to say right wing parties are popular, but when people are asked about actual policies, the majority would actually like most of corbyn's left policies (source some yougov polls).

Even if there is a majority of right wing voters who would prevent corbyn winning, that doesn't mean the opposition should pretend to be right wing just to get power - it's that sort of triangulation that makes new labour so unattractive (plus it seems the pretending pretty soon turns into belief among new labour (if it was ever pretending)) - far better to stand up for what you believe and (hopefully) try and persuade people with your arguments (and not market to them with focus groups - people can tell the difference)
 
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Yep, I'd argue that triangulation has played a massive part in alienating not just one generation, but two, or possibly three, from mainstream politics altogether. It's arguable that no pandering to the right was necessary at all in order to win the 1997 GE; although maybe not by the (unhealthy) landslide which did occur.

Unfortunately, the myth of the 'centre', inherited from US politics, where centre essentially equates to 'moderate right', would appear to have been set in stone, and of course it's the right-wing press which will always dictate this 'centre'.

I hope my cynicism is proven wrong, but public opinion doesn't necessarily translate to election results, as contradictory as that may initially sound.
 
Ive been invited to Corbyn's Manchester rally on Saturday. I accepted and now have a reservation, but im working that day and will only be able to get there in the nick of time, racing over after work, so may not get in if people are queuing.

Apparently a lot, if not all, of his rallies so far have been packed to capacity with loads of people left out in the cold. People in the audience have been pictured moved to tears by his speeches. The 3 other 3 candidates have been rallying to virtually empty halls or tiny hand picked groups of supporters. Provided there's no gaffes or skeletons in his closet that he cannot reasonably explain (by God certain groups people will be working tirelessly trying to dig up any dirt on him) I dont see any reason why he cannot win the leadership. He has personally attracted 100s of thousands of new members to the Labour party over the last couple of months.

Opinion polls have been proven unreliable, maybe indicators like this might be more accurate predictors. The bookies have had him favourite for weeks, and they certainly aren't daft.
 
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Yep, I'd argue that triangulation has played a massive part in alienating not just one generation, but two, or possibly three, from mainstream politics altogether. It's arguable that no pandering to the right was necessary at all in order to win the 1997 GE; although maybe not by the (unhealthy) landslide which did occur.

Unfortunately, the myth of the 'centre', inherited from US politics, where centre essentially equates to 'moderate right', would appear to have been set in stone, and of course it's the right-wing press which will always dictate this 'centre'.

I hope my cynicism is proven wrong, but public opinion doesn't necessarily translate to election results, as contradictory as that may initially sound.
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I read an article that made sense talking about the difference between the relative and absolute political spectrum: the one we all think we're using is the absolute one - left right and centre meaning specific things; but the article argued that the relative spectrum is actually what is talked about by the political/media establishment: meaning the centre ground is a movable line equidistant between whichever two parties make up the current tweedle-dum/dee of our politics - this explains how corbyn proposing mild social democracy (the definition of centre-left) can be called extreme left.

I'm still not letting my cynicism guard down, but there are more important things than winning elections - like winning the argument (elections will follow this sooner or later). If corbyn gets the leadership i fully expect osbourne to make twisted copies of many of corbyn's popular policies over the next few years (he'll drop the word 'people's obviously) - but just like new labour vs tories, hopefully people will want to choose the original and not the cover version.

MDB: i'd like to go to one of the rallies - i think his popularity is partly to do with him not being an amazing orator, just a plain honest speaker (and more importantly, the content/policies); oratory can often imply some sort of manipulation of the herd by clever people (plus it's got the word tory in it))
 
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Regrettably i gave it a miss, some 1,800 people had rsvpd to say they were attending, i didnt really fancy racing round there straight after work, having not eaten, arriving just 10 minutes before the start id probably have been struggling to find a parking spot and then finding myself at the end of a very long queue and left outside once the place was full. The venue didn't look anywhere big enough to hold 1,800 people. :sus:

The clips will probably surface on youtube soon, if id had more time id have liked to have gone, ive never attended anything remotely like that before. It was an intersting opportunity missed. Bah humbug, bastard bollocks fucking fuck.:!
 
What time does this socialist utopia kick in? I want my money back! ;)

Well done Jeremy. Well done the voters. Here's hoping the wider electorate can be as immune to media bullshit over the next few years. Seems to me though that they've pretty much shot their load on jeremy trying to stop his election - what else is there to reveal? All they can do now is keep repeating the same messages, which risks them becoming pretty hollow over the next few years.

They've still got some bullets left for john mcdonnell though - John mcdonnel (new shadow chancellor) like corbyn is another of the few mps that i'd previously known were different to the others (decent) as they've both been present in many demos for years (invisible to the media and therefore most of the country).

The hard part for the left's arguments has in recent years been airtime (capitalist hegemony of the media doesn't help (how do you say that? is it 'hedge-a-money' or 'hegg-a-money'? (more importantly what does it mean ;))) - when given equal time to argue the left positions, they end up sounding nowhere near as whacky as they do when given in a pathetic strawman version (eg people's QE)
 
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