Jeremy Corbyn: A very old fashioned breath of fresh air?

[mydrugbuddy]

If that isn't an oxymoron i don't know what is. But I really like the guy and his principles. He stands out so much just for not being one of these slick media trained PR mad plastic political identi-kit clones. He's proper old school, doesnt give a shit about how he looks, and genuinely cares about the things the Labour party should care about; state ownership of the royal mail, railways, and energy companies. Maybe we really do need to turn the clock back 20-30 years and start all over again, new labour has failed, and is there any viable alternative? Corbyn would probably never become PM but at least he'd give the tories a proper run for their money,

He would do something about allowing the government to subsidise the 6 major energy companies whilst they make billions of pounds in profits, whilst at the same time the poorest section of society have to choose between eating or heating during the winter, in 21st century Britain! That alone is a national fucking disgrace.

I've never joined a political party before, but this time I will, he is what politics needs, i think it only costs £3 to join and then you can vote for your 1st, 2nd, 3rd choices. I'd always assumed that the job would go to Andy Burnham as he's a good engaging public speaker. And id vote for Liz Kendall 3rd cos shes the most good looking member standing. (being such a real political and intellectual heavyweight that i am.)

 

[Josh]

I've paid my £3.

He's the only candidate I've seen give an honest answer when questioned.

 

[Ceres]

yep he seems legit and stands out as a real human being with principles against a backdrop of PR robots - for example try watching yvette coopers campaign promo video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBmMIH5PAWc (might make people of a nervous disposition vomit)

I hope he wins, and he manages to pull together a green/snp alliance to fight back against some of the evil asset stripping and attacks on the vulnerable this fucking ruthless government is perpetrating in the manner of a dictatorship.

 

[Don Luigi]

That was rather disgusting. Where were the 'bright and brilliant ideas' leading to the general election?

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

Might back against some of the evil asset stripping and attacks on the vulnerable this fucking ruthless government is perpetrating in the manner of a dictatorship.

yeah, one of those dictatorships recently democratically elected with a clear majority on a mandate to do exactly such. dont like it - move to cuba.


typical fuckin pseudo-liberal lefty authoritarian bullshit


so then, in summary;

• corpses buried √
• streets sans mountains of refuse √
• electricity available all day, every day √
• unions crushed √


so jog on and take that superannuated relic corbyn with yers. and hurray for democracy

 

[curious_24]

They didn't win with a clear majority though, did they? They got 36.1% of the total votes cast.

 

[Raasyvibe]

^ 331 seats out of 650 does go down as a clear majority.

evil asset stripping and attacks on the vulnerable this fucking ruthless government is perpetrating in the manner of a dictatorship

I've never been a tory fan, but can you explain what these recent "ruthless attacks on the vulnerable" are?

Genuinely interested.

 

[curious_24]

^ 331 seats out of 650 does go down as a clear majority.

It does. But it shouldn't.

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

fortunately for humanity, nobody cares what you think

 

[curious_24]

fortunately for humanity, nobody cares what you think

Yay, my first BHM trolling. Do I get a commemorative card in the post?

 

[Ceres]

^ 331 seats out of 650 does go down as a clear majority.



I've never been a tory fan, but can you explain what these recent "ruthless attacks on the vulnerable" are?

Genuinely interested.

66% of the eligble electorate voted, meaning 75% of people didn't vote for them, 24% did.

for ruthless attacks on the vulnerable see the welfare bill, scrapping of child tax credits, taxing of disability benefits, benefits caps, redefining the measure of poverty, scrapping poverty eradication targets, recasting a paltry rise in minimum wage as 'a living wage' when it is nothing of the sort, etc etc.

even the CoE is apalled by what they are doing http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ncan-smith-to-express-fears-over-welfare-cuts

 

[BecomingJulie]

I could actually consider voting for a Labour party led by Jeremy Corbyn. Especially once the "transfer window" closed .....

 

[koneko]

..He stands out so much just for not being one of these slick media trained PR mad plastic political identi-kit clones. He's proper old school, doesnt give a shit about how he looks,...

Be careful not to get caught up in his media skin spin - that look is carefully curated. I note every ironed edge of those brand new rolled up shirt sleeves etc. This is also an image, and one we're not used to seeing in politicians so it comes over all refreshing, noticeable and new. Definitely eye-catching.

It's the machine behind that that interests me. I like the cut of his gibe and how he's inciting interest again in grassroots politics...the mechanisms remind me a lot of the snp's campaign tactics, and we all know how that turned out

Good stuff %)

 

[Vurtual]

People say corbyn is about going back to the past, but i think it's the other way round: 'blatcherism' is the past now - it's had it's day and been found wanting - while it was new thatcherism at least had the benefit of appearing to be different to the establishment politics of the day (to enough idiots to get by anyway) - since then the thatcherite/neoliberal period has coincided with a stagnation of wages for poorer people and corresponding growth in the rich's wealth; the growth in personal debt made up the shortfall (and we're still waiting for some to trickle down when some billionaire buys a big issue from us).

The steady growth in living standards that many people enjoyed a share of up to the 70s was intentionally stopped in its tracks under neoliberalism ("it's for the health of the economy dear boy, my profits are dwindling having to pay decent wages!") - our relative share has shrunk ever since and it's now getting to similar similar levels as the 20s - as far as the elite is concerned, they're clawing back their rightful heritage that they grudgingly conceded back when the great unwashed were still a credible threat of revolution.

It's not like you can say corbyn's proposed adoption of what was basically the political consensus for 30 years (which conservatives also followed, leading to the longest period of growth in history) is any radical shift to the left. It's a long time since the 80s - in the meantime the left haven't been idle, they've been learning economics, and they can no longer be bamboozled like (some of them) once were by the city of london with its self-serving (and now discredited) voodoo economics; they've even got a nobel prize economist to refer to (where's your nobel prize reference osbourne? (obomber doesn't count))

[that was a party political broadcast by the new old labour party (or a devious entryist trotskyite intent on bringing down the labour party by making it electable)]

 

[Ceres]

Yeah I hope he wins, I can't see labour ever recovering scotland, I mean look at comments from scottish labour leadership candidate Ken Macintosh "SCOTLAND should not be given more powers over welfare, taxes and spending, because of its history as a "relatively reactionary country"," - but JC leading the opposition would at least mean some actual fucking opposition and I'm sure he would make mincemeat out of cameron at PMQ's.

JC's campaign, having watched some videos of his meetings, does have the air of 'fuck this shit we've had enough of it' that the SNP campaign had aswell as the amount of younger voters he's getting involved and genuinely enthused about politics of change for the better.

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

i take it then the nobel prize winning economist was out the room during the decade in which labour grotesquely ballooned the national debt during boom years, sold the nations gold reserves at the lowest possible ebb and stuck half the nation on some form of state aid.


and please, the banking sector is the only thing keeping the country afloat. has been for ages and ages now. grow up

 

[koneko]

...and please, the banking sector is the only thing keeping the country afloat. has been for ages and ages now. grow up

Very true, but how long can this last? The cycle is running out of steam and isn't serving the majority of the population. You can't eat gold or digital numbers

Something new has to happen...

 

[Sammy G]

Didn't Nick Clegg get record numbers of young people enthused about politics too?

I hope that Corbyn wins the leadership, but I very much doubt that in light of the major funding crisis which will ensue, his Labour party will be considered anywhere near electable in a country which has voted in two successive right-wing governments, and has a third right-wing party gaining real momentum.

I live in hope, but I believe (this one's for Vurtual) that old Jeremy (what kind of man of the people is called 'Jeremy' anyway?) might, with the collusion of the press or otherwise, put his Foot in it.

 

[Raasyvibe]

attacks on the vulnerable this fucking ruthless government is perpetrating in the manner of a dictatorship.

for ruthless attacks on the vulnerable see the welfare bill, scrapping of child tax credits, taxing of disability benefits, benefits caps, redefining the measure of poverty, scrapping poverty eradication targets, recasting a paltry rise in minimum wage as 'a living wage' when it is nothing of the sort, etc etc.
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You talk like we're still in the Thatcher era. Sorry but times have moved on. I'm not a tory voter but everything you said is extremely unrealistic/delusional.


-They haven't scrapped child tax credits. They've just limited it to 2 children to stop large families raping the system and help the government redistribute the money where it's needed ie - child poverty
-They are not taxing disability benefits, it's only been suggested as the benefits received have actually risen under the tory government.
-They're only redefining poverty measures as they are inaccurate because average household incomes fell in the recession.
-They are scrapping poverty eradication targets, because they were set by the preceding LABOUR government, are unrealistic and could unfairly incur £12bn of legal fees because of a target they never set.

 

[Ceres]

i take it then the nobel prize winning economist was out the room during the decade in which labour grotesquely ballooned the national debt during boom years, sold the nations gold reserves at the lowest possible ebb and stuck half the nation on some form of state aid.

George Osborne's claims to be prudent with the nation's finances have been brutally undermined by the fact he has added more to Britain's £1.2 trillion debt pile in his three years as Chancellor than Labour did in thirteen.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/21/uk-borrowing-_n_4316084.html