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Jan 6 Attack on the Capitol and the aftermath

What’s shocking is that many QAnon people are actually new age spiritual types who’d you’d never expect, or at least not me...

I have/had? one friend in particular who ate it all up and it was just sad for everyone to watch cuz he of course cut everyone out in the process too. But then to also see many new agers spouting shit that clearly deflects from the current issues and gaslights folks into thinking they are the cause of all their own problems.

As for the Q Shaman, I heard that in jail before trial you can be kinda picky about your food (since you aren’t yet convicted) but once/if he goes to prison you only get special diet for religious reasons and have to “prove it” whatever that means.

I don’t think they do organic though no matter what your religious beliefs. I doubt he’ll do any time though..

-GC

And nor should they.

Frankly I'd be faaaar more inclined to argue that we should spend more time and money making prison food less terrible for all prisoners than spending any time or money at all on organic bs.

I can get on board with arguing that the food shouldn't itself be a punishment. But there are limits on what's a reasonable level of accommodation.

I think this is over it... But it's not so over it that I would particularly care to keep arguing it. :P
 
why do you hate organic food? Im lucky i get to eat cheap organic food since i live in nz rurally. Fucking eat GMO poisoned processed garbage.

Prison food is fucking inedible you truly have to come with some ways to stomaching half the shit they feed you in there. They literally give you canned corn on bread is foul and the bread is stale aswell at that point its just taking the piss out of the prisoners giving them that.
 
why do you hate organic food? Im lucky i get to eat cheap organic food since i live in nz rurally. Fucking eat GMO poisoned processed garbage.

Prison food is fucking inedible you truly have to come with some ways to stomaching half the shit they feed you in there. They literally give you canned corn on bread is foul and the bread is stale aswell at that point its just taking the piss out of the prisoners giving them that.

I don't hate organic food other than that it's wasteful.

I hate the idea of tax payer money going to pay for it cause a prisoner decides anything less is inedible.

Let's not discuss GMO though or it'll be a whole argument in its, given that I think the anti GMO rhetoric is even sillier than the organic rhetoric.
 
Not to get too off topic but you know what would be a good compromise. Let prisoners pay for access to specific food items pretty much of their choice. They pay out of pocket for the purchase plus delivery and security precautions.

Add all that and I'll happily say they should be able to eat whatever they want.
 
they have a basic canteen. I seen prisoners make their own ice cream try make their own pizza really ingenious methods but if a prisoner was allowed to order anything it would also make them a target for people who couldn't afford all that stuff. rule in prision never let anybody know you have money or people on the outside who can wire you money. Hell alot of guards are corrupt and already deliver food to prisoners anyway.
 
People are gonna know you have money. They gonna know when you have new batteries even. For sure going to see you maxing on food 24/7. But you also work and get a little money. Well not these guys, they will get fined hard meaning no commissary either until its paid off. They will be broke and eating garbage. What happens to extreme maga people.

But actually since these guys are legit terrorists, they will be in their own cell too. Not allowed a job. Not allowed extra food.

The truth is they probably wont even do time. I mean the guy that took the podium and took a picture for the internet was a dumb and dumber type move and will probably get a slap on the wrist. But the guys that were running around with the ties are in deep shit.
 
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People are gonna know you have money. They gonna know when you have new batteries even. For sure going to see you maxing on food 24/7. But you also work and get a little money. Well not these guys, they will get fined hard meaning no commissary either until its paid off. They will be broke and eating garbage. What happens to extreme maga people.
pretty sure half those idiots there have super rich parents who are blind to the real world and only voted trump to keep the white status quo. That idiot screaming when he got arrested i laughed so hard at his ignorance he truly thought in his own mind that police should only arrest black people. America is fucking wack. Just seen in iwoa they dimissing charges of white dude who ran over BLM protestors while trying to give a black man 10 years for protesting for his own right to live. America is fucked and it wont change under biden. Harris is pitful calls biden out on racism but teams up with him to suit her own career and throw her own black people under the bus just like what obama did.

When will the day come when racism is eliminated and a real president comes along who ends it. Probably not for another 100 years at least america built on racism the entire system is corrupt as fuck.
 
Which sounds like bs.

How is wanting organic food a religious belief?

I think it's crap. I fully agree with providing prisoners decent quality food. But requiring that it be organic is bs.

Many people claim to be Jewish in jail to get higher quality meals. My celly was black getting kosher bars and decked out trays and often gave them to me.

However, getting “organic” food in jail or prison is laughable. Our canteen had ramen noodles and sodium and chemical filled with crap.

But who knows maybe he’s in white collar jail
 
He is probably in the county. Or equivalent of the county for federal charges.

Either way he still isn't getting that great of food. Probably the same damn food just placed differently and in a different colored tray. Not hard to trick the trump guys.
 
It's actually kind of refreshing and liberating not to have to endure any of Trump's social media shitposting over the last few days!

The media breathlessly reported on his stupid Twitter missives over the past 4 years, and I'll admit, it feels a little good that we don't have to anymore :)
 
I will admit, I will miss trump in a way. The little things like seeing his face half paralyzed from eating too much regeneron. Or him walking out of the plane and there is only 1 car in the whooooolllle place (which is his) and he is walking away from it. Or his great great great amazing wonderful super words.

Now we go into the next cycle. Democrats coming to save us.
 
I am not sure what to make of family members and friends turning in the Capitol rioters. If they were really dangerous, I think it’s understandable, but if they were just there? Idk.

'I had no qualms': The people turning in loved ones for the Capitol attack​

The majority of more than 140,000 tips sent to the FBI about the attack have come from friends and family of those involved

When Alison Lopez discovered her uncle’s sister had been part of the mob that breached the Capitol doors on 6 January, she immediately reported her to the FBI. “I had no second thoughts,” she said.

Lopez found out about her in-law’s participation when the woman in question called her aunt from inside the Capitol to brag about “taking back the election”. Lopez, who is 42, said she had known the relative her whole life but had “no qualms” about reporting her.

“If I saw my grandmother making bombs in her basement, or my aunt breaking into a home, I would have to intervene as well – it’s just about doing what’s right,” she said.

In the week after the attacks on the Capitol, there has been a concerted effort to “unmask” rioters online, with self-styled detectives investigating who’s who in videos and photos posted from the attack. Outing family members – either online or to authorities – has marked a new frontier of the rift Trumpism has created in the US.

Lopez said she was horrified but not surprised to see a loved one participate in the riot. Over the last four years she has watched helplessly as members of her family became increasingly entrenched in the world of hateful rightwing conspiracy theories.

“These are people who never really identified with politics before, and now they have just let this consume their lives,” Lopez said, adding she does not consider herself a Democrat and has voted for Republican candidates in the past.

More than 140,000 people have sent tips to the FBI reporting participants in the riots on the Capitol on 6 January, resulting in at least 200 arrests. The vast majority of those, according to the Department of Justice, come from friends, family, and other acquaintances of those involved in the attacks.


The Massachusetts teen Helena Duke received a flood of support this week when she posted a video outing her own mother, aunt and uncle as having attended the Capitol protests.

The 18-year-old said her mother, who appears to be harassing a Black woman in the video shared, previously condemned her for attending Black Lives Matter protests. “If I did nothing, I felt I was as bad as them,” Duke told Good Morning America.

The decision to report a family member or publicly out them as espousing dangerous views can make a huge impact in stopping the spread of hate speech, said Talia Lavin, an expert in extremism and white supremacist groups and the author of Culture Warlords.

“I applaud the bravery of people who have called out people in their own families for this kind of radicalization,” she said. “When people experience ostracization or disavowal from one’s own family, it can lead to a kind of cooling of extremist sentiment, because individuals are for the very first time experiencing a consequence for what they have so proudly engaged in for so long.”

Online sleuthing is not new, especially among hate speech and extremism investigators, who have for years hunted down and outed racists and fascist agitators to employers in hopes to foster accountability. But in the aftermath of the insurrection, the practice has gone more mainstream, with journalists, activists and the FBI tweeting out photos and videos of the riot and encouraging followers to investigate them.

Online sleuthing has its drawbacks: a Chicago firefighter faced harassment after being falsely identified as the killer of a Capitol police officer through a blurry video image. Another photo was falsely traced to a man pictured on an Antifa website, a tie that has been definitively disproven.

But the chance of mistaken identity is much lower when the accusation comes from a family member or loved one. Leslie, a woman in Chicago who asked that her last name not be used in this story, said she and her sister both submitted screenshots of images their mother posted on social media from the steps of the Capitol during the riots to the FBI.

Leslie, who considers herself far left politically, said she had watched in horror as vigilantes stormed the Capitol on 6 January, only to learn days later her estranged mother was one of them.

“I almost passed out,” she said of the moment she saw the images. “I was really shocked, she was on the scaffolding we saw people climbing on TV. It was such a helpless, horrifying feeling.”

Leslie said she and her three siblings all stopped speaking to their parents after they got sucked into QAnon, movement surrounding a disproven conspiracy theory that Donald Trump is saving the world from a secret cabal of child abusers. She said she watched her evangelical mother go from being a devout Christian to posting hate speech on Facebook and aligning herself with the far right.

“I am really, really angry that I have essentially lost my family to a cult,” she said. “I am angry that people were not taking the rise of QAnon more seriously. People kept saying, ‘nobody is actually going to do anything, it is just a bunch of idiots online’.”

“Well, the people at the Capitol are the people who were looking at this online,” she said. “This is what happens when you don’t do anything.”

Leslie is not alone: support groups have emerged in recent years for the countless Americans who have lost loved ones to the conspiracy theory.

Leslie said she is hoping a call from the FBI could serve as “kind of wake up call for them”, she said.

“Maybe if she gets a call from the authorities she will realize this is not just a game, this is not just something playing out on Facebook. This is real and people got killed,” she said.

 
I am not sure what to make of family members and friends turning in the Capitol rioters. If they were really dangerous, I think it’s understandable, but if they were just there? Idk.




I saw an interesting perspective, basically that if you were a decent person, you probably wouldn't have family members just waiting to snitch on you. Anyone whose friends and family were willing to actively give them up, probably weren't good people.

Worst case scenario, some slightly less guilty people need to reconsider what causes they give their power to. If you go in a store with a friend, and out of nowhere, he kills the cashier, you are 100% responsible, legally. If it applies to murder, I dont see why it shouldn't apply to terrorism. Not to mention, I see the way these people post on facebook; not one of them would stand in the way of "a liberal" being lynched. None of them tried to stop their fellow cult members from terrorism, murder, and treason. They either participated actively, or followed the herd. Being a mindless lemming following terrorism isnt exactly innocent.
 
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I am not sure what to make of family members and friends turning in the Capitol rioters. If they were really dangerous, I think it’s understandable, but if they were just there? Idk.




If a friend participated in the riot? I might turn them in. If they were just there? No.

And as for family members. I was raised with a pretty strong belief that you defend your family from people who aren't your family no matter what. That you can turn your back on friends, but not family. So I doubt I'd turn them in regardless of what they'd done.

It'd have to be VERY serious, like that they had real plans to kill someone. Then I might. Otherwise, no. Friends yes, family no.
 
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4 days to go. what did he achieve in the last 5 days?

alasdair

Indictments drop tomorrow and tuesday don’t worry.

Haven’t you heard bad boys move in silence? Never show the enemy your hand till the chips are on the table 😉
 
“When people experience ostracization or disavowal from one’s own family, it can lead to a kind of cooling of extremist sentiment, because individuals are for the very first time experiencing a consequence for what they have so proudly engaged in for so long.”

Or it can, y'know, push them further down the extremist rabbit hole

That's a classic tactic of religious cults and extremist organizations, separating a recruit from their friends and family
 
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