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It's a FACT... MDMA makes you depressed

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djestes

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Aight.. we all know the scientific data that has been collected on how MDMA burns out your seratonin receptors, making you depressed.

well, let me fill you in my life a little bit.

back in the day, say 3 years ago... i met a guy who was quite a large dealer of pretty much anything. he would have bags with 100,000 to 200,000 hits of E, few hundred sheets of acid, and may I note he packed an uzi with him at all times.

well anyhow I got into the game because I came to the conclusion I could make a lot of loot from this guy. So i pretty much sold E to the entire state (will name nameless ofcourse) and may i also note I did alot of the shit myself.

3 years later i get these little depression spurts. like there's no reason for me to feel down, pissed off, whatever... but I do.

And it feels like an external feeling, that is not normal. It's not just mood swings people, it's my fucking seratonin levels going up and down like a fucking roller coaster.

some times ill get really happy and excited over the dumbest things... and then ill get pissed off when my GF wont suck my dick...
like why should a guy get mad at his chick who he loves just cuz she doesnt want to suck his dick?

well i have some serious mood swings and I KNOW it's from E.

It's not normal, and when I see other people who've never done it they seem a little happier then i am.. ofcourse these are pelple I see quite often and have known for a long time so im used to their moods.... which dont flucuate..

and I have some friends who have done quite a lot of drugs... and one of them in particular does a lot of crystal.

i notice that he will have these mood swings, or moods that will not be normal. and i really think it's from drug use.


shit man i wish i wasn't so fucking stupid in my past because now i kind of have E depression.

I have put all drugs aside for a longggg time except for weed.

I have a little ADD in me and the pot helps me chill. but only 2-3 times a week and not too much because i hate to get too stoned and sit there all un social.. just enough to enhance the mind you dig?

thoughts, suggestions?
 
let me note... E is a fucking awesome drug.thats why it is so addictive...

i was never addicted to it but I did like to do it alot... when i didn't want to do it anymore i had no problem hanging it up.


just use in moderation, im talking like once every 4-5 months because you will benefit for many reasons:

1- your experience will be WAY better. we all remember the first time on E, if it was good ofcourse, but it was fucking the best time of your life... the last time i did E i didn't get .1% of what I had my first time.

2- damage to your brain. enough said on this one.
 
First of all, you could have ended up having mood swings even before using drugs. You notice it now. You haven't lived your life without the drugs, because once you use them, you can't reverse time.

I have a little ADD in me and the pot helps me chill.
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Do you actually have ADD or are you just saying that? There are a lot of people out there that just assume that they have it or that some drug gave it to them. They really don't know if they do or not.

My thoughts on this?? You are blaming your depression on your past drug use. It may very well be the cause but you don't know. It's easier than trying to find the real reason. Just blame it on the drugs. 8)
 
Hi there,

I know a few people that do E loads (including myself) and don't suffer from mood swings.

I also know a few people that have never done drugs (apart from booze) and they suffer from mood swings all the time (sometimes totally mad and buzzing and other times will be pissed off (sulk) for no reason!).

I may feel a little down a couple of days after I've popped (not too bad though), but after that I'm 100%
 
Also, one person's experience does not make something a fact. I've been using for about a year now, roughly once a month. About October or November, I noticed that I was getting depressed for a week or two out of each month, and started panicking that it was the E effecting me.

Then I realized that I'd just started taking birth control pills, and I read up on the side effects of those - sure enough, depression was listed.

It isn't always the drugs, and it isn't always even true. The depression could have been preexisting, but you never noticed it before, or it could be entirely psychosomatic, meaning, you think you're going to get depressed, so you do.

If you think you do have depression, get it diagnosed. A lot of what people think is "depression" is just sadness. We all have days like that. Does yours last for 2 weeks or more in a row, and prevent you from doing your every day things? Have you lost your appetite? There is a checklist, I'm sure you can find it online, that can tell you whether or not you need to see a psych about potential depression. What you're describing sounds more like bipolar disorder, not depression, which has never been linked to E use.

Get a diagnosis before you make sweeping claims that "E causes depression" etc.
 
This topic definitely hits home because I have on and off depression from rollin ( I believe ) but we are different because my depression occurs within a week or two after i roll. either the entire two weeks, or a few days here and there. Stupid things piss me off and I never know why, and i end up takin things way too personally from my bf, I flip on him for no reason. my mother will aggravate me no matter what she says...its a horrible cycle. But after the two weeks are up I lose most of my depression...I'm sorry you get it now that you have stopped, i hope that doesnt happen to me somewhere down the road.

And as for the ADD comment, I would have to agree with BunnE when she asked if you have been actually diagnosed with havin it, or if you are one of those people just saying u think u have it. It gets really aggravating for people to blame their fidgetiness or their hyper moods on ADD, its really not a disease to mess with, my brother has it and I know what hell it can put a person through.....anyways those are my thoughts
 
Just because you have mood swings doesn't make MDMA-caused depression a fact. Facts involve science, not one persons reaction to any number of stimuli. I bet you used other drugs too, so you can't pinpoint anything. MDMA might have fucked your brain, it wouldn't surprise me, but it's still not a fact, yet.
 
Point me to a (credable) research that supports this, and then maybe I'll buy it ..
Otherwise it's just pure speculations dude ..
 
sorry man, not logical.

hell i get mood swings, pissed off, super excited, etc all the time. it's called life. not every change in ones behaviour or feelings is some type of drug effect, nor is every action one doesn't like based on some neurochemical problem. having a short attention span and lots of energy doesn't make someone have add, being upset/pissed is not a sign of depression. there is no way you feel your "fucking seratonin levels going up and down like a fucking roller coaster". and even if they were cycling, so what? do you have any idea what your 5ht levels are supposed to do? ask the leading neurochemists, they don't really know either. sure, drugs might be linked to depression. so could use of cell phones, having red hair, and too much masturbation. fact is, until someone can point at a true cause and effect (or even something vaugely close) we cannot know. fuck, we don't even really know what depression is, what causes it, how it happens, what fixes it, or even if it is a true medical condition. we have next to no information on the mind.
 
no its not fact.
I drop about once a month and the only times im 'depressed' (i wouldnt call it that, more like a hang over, but from pills) is 1-2 days after i drop, after that im 100% fine apart from my speach : ).
 
Hi there,

I recon even by ragging it by taking loads in a week you would be back to normal after two weeks (I've been ok after the few occasions I've done that).

Might just be me though.
 
Technic said:
no its not fact.
I drop about once a month and the only times im 'depressed' (i wouldnt call it that, more like a hang over, but from pills) is 1-2 days after i drop, after that im 100% fine apart from my speach : ).
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Yeah, lots of people get the blues a couple days after they drop (that's where the term "suicide tuesday" came from, I believe). It makes sense - you've depleted your serotonin, and besides, the weekend is over and you're back at work. But this isn't depression. Depression is chronic, meaning it lasts for at least 2 weeks, and it interferes with your every day life for that entire period. If you think you've got this kind of depression, go to a doctor and get a diagnosis. Depression sucks, but it's treatable.
 
Aight.. we all know the scientific data that has been collected on how MDMA burns out your seratonin receptors, making you depressed.
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If MDMA neurotoxicity occurs, it's serotonin axons that are destroyed, not receptors.

well i have some serious mood swings and I KNOW it's from E.
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No, you suspect it's from E. Passion is not evidence. MDMA can clearly cause short-term emotional disruptions following use, but if these problems emerged or persisted for a long time after quitting I'd look elsewhere for the cause.
 
ive been doing E off and on for the last 3 1/2 years and ive been doing more since last october than i did in the last few years , prolly bout once every 4-5 weeks, ive NEVER experienced depression/mood swings, and i think wHILE you could be experiencing it from your E use, take into account it might not of been, does depression run in your family? its easier to blame the obvious than to dig for the true answer....
 
Red Arrow said:
buy 50 strong mdma pills on a wednesday night then take them all by saturday night and come back and tell me how awesome mdma is and how it doesnt make you depressed.

ok i bought 50 but took about 30 myself - rest were given away.
im still in a seriously bad conidtion.
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I hope you weren't too surprised about your condition. I mean, 30 is absurd no matter what kind of tolerance you have. Is it even possible to have that much serotonin -- even over 4 days?
Glad I'm not anywhere close to that level. 2 or 3 in one night once every couple months is more than fine for me. :D
 
If MDMA neurotoxicity occurs, it's serotonin axons that are destroyed, not receptors.
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Ever heard of receptor downregulation due to over-stimulation from MDMA?? So, MDMA neurotoxicity DOES affect serotonin receptors...
 
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Ever heard of receptor downregulation due to over-stimulation from MDMA?? So, MDMA neurotoxicity DOES affect serotonin receptors...
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Receptor downregluation has nothing to do with neurotoxicity.
 
Ecstasy has made me alot, but NEVER depressed!

Of course this is highly individual, but I've never come close to being depressed on, after or during periods when I've rolled alot!
 
Well actually it's not a fact. I think I can't sleep tonight because of E. HAHA. Maybe it was a phone call I got? NOpe, I'm sure it's E. So now I think it's a fact. Anyone who has never been able to go back to sleep are all pill-heads. Lock them up! Ummm...
 
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