Lysergamides Issy's first time on LSD crystal

[Ismene2]

Maybe you just decided that LSD doesn't go well with nature - then you accidentally bypassed your own conviction with a psychedelic at high dose. It does appear to be completely made up... Your conviction i mean. Why wouldn't a great psychedelic go well with nature?

Sorry if i sound mean. Not sure how to put this in kinder words, but i really think it belongs in the realm of very obvious and relevant responses to what you're saying.

Thats about as likely as being heterosexual for 50 years then suddenly realising
I actually like a sweaty 20 stone man tonguing my arse.

With a beard.

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

Thats about as likely as being heterosexual for 50 years then suddenly realising
I actually like a sweaty 20 stone man tonguing my arse.

With a beard.

There certainly seems to be no shortage of middle aged people seemingly realizing thst they are gay and or trans around the world ....especially latley....I know someone whom absolutely falls into that category soooooooo hey if you're not 50 yet ....be prepared for willingly wanted beard burn on your 50 year old butt hole.....this world becomes a stranger place every single second.

 

[Ismene2]

Surely I would have asked him for a reachround by now.

 

[The Shadow Self]

I agree with that fully but I also can accept so easily that the government as part of their devious little MK Ultra program with LSD distribution right at the core of it would have certainly conducted an effective psy op to induce the psychosomatic fear of the bad trip.

Yep. Always remember that at one time, the CIA had access to what once was the world's largest supply of LSD when the sole source was from Sandoz. And they certainly did much to spread the "gospel" via various means, of course. In other words, there is a whole lot more to the LSD story and it's widespread distribution that did very much include military/intelligence. And guys like Kesey, Leary, et al were involved, including in terms of the "acid tests" which were not nearly as "organic" as most people think. As always, much more than meets the eye...

 

[AutoTripper]

Yep. Always remember that at one time, the CIA had access to what once was the world's largest supply of LSD when the sole source was from Sandoz. And they certainly did much to spread the "gospel" via various means, of course. In other words, there is a whole lot more to the LSD story and it's widespread distribution that did very much include military/intelligence. And guys like Kesey, Leary, et al were involved, including in terms of the "acid tests" which were not nearly as "organic" as most people think. As always, much more than meets the eye...

Totally man. I only fully awoke to this last couple years.

I grew up listening to Pink Floyd as innocent gifted artists and stagemasters.

I still play Barrett's tracks only, way less so because I've moved on so much and I dwell in light now not just fantasy and spectacle.

Because I've no idea what level of conscious or unconscioys active collusion Barrett personally had with the source of these operarions.

Lennon & Co full on playing roles and they knew it, ushering in Rock hysteria, worship, Woodstock was one big psy op itself.

Beatles launched 64 Woodstock 67 LSD dished out between. The hippy culture merely engineered. Every culture.


So they gave the free world LSD to enslave.

It's hailed as the spirit molecule ofc. I had to ask myself some honest questions about this though. I've surely taken 500 mg's of it.

I've stayed pure and unpolluted though.

 

[The Shadow Self]

Yes, indeed. We live in a world of "cultural creations" that are agenda-driven, synthetic, and many people are blind to these agendas, but the information is certainly there for those that seek it out. And yes...Woodstock and Altamont, etc., have intelligence fingerprints all over them, and for that matter, the entire media industrial complex is largely a construct of military/intelligence, global banking cartels, corporations, etc. Societies being not so gently nudged in very deliberate directions for very intentional reasons. In most ways the world is the way it is due to social engineers who know exactly how to manipulate people and obviously have very powerful tools they can employ to do so. Just imagine a world in which the television has literally been the centerpiece of the western home for generations, now having been replaced by the ubiquitous screens of the internet, and people's growing enslavement to screen worship of one kind or another. Even when you ask people what shaped their worldview, the majority of people would have to admit a screen, again, of one kind or another. And of course in the past, in what was once a print-based society, people were more learned and well-rounded, being exposed to countless ideas via reading, mentoring, apprenticeships, etc. Now, most people read little or not at all, and "reality" can be changed or morphed as much or as little as those who control the dissemination of information on these digital platforms choose. And of course this is all by design, but you cannot convince some people of that. They'll just call you names and what have you.

I have also remained unpolluted, as it were.

Have a good day my friend.

 

[Mjäll]

Totally man. I only fully awoke to this last couple years.

I grew up listening to Pink Floyd as innocent gifted artists and stagemasters.

I still play Barrett's tracks only, way less so because I've moved on so much and I dwell in light now not just fantasy and spectacle.

Because I've no idea what level of conscious or unconscioys active collusion Barrett personally had with the source of these operarions.

Lennon & Co full on playing roles and they knew it, ushering in Rock hysteria, worship, Woodstock was one big psy op itself.

Beatles launched 64 Woodstock 67 LSD dished out between. The hippy culture merely engineered. Every culture.


So they gave the free world LSD to enslave.

It's hailed as the spirit molecule ofc. I had to ask myself some honest questions about this though. I've surely taken 500 mg's of it.

I've stayed pure and unpolluted though.

Fuck yeah Barrett era Pink Floyd was the best. Even the early singles before the debut album. I agree it can get a bit fantastical and darkly brooding in a way.

Even Rick Wright wrote some great stuff like the track "Paintbox" which may be the saddest of them all.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

Yep. Always remember that at one time, the CIA had access to what once was the world's largest supply of LSD when the sole source was from Sandoz. And they certainly did much to spread the "gospel" via various means, of course. In other words, there is a whole lot more to the LSD story and it's widespread distribution that did very much include military/intelligence. And guys like Kesey, Leary, et al were involved, including in terms of the "acid tests" which were not nearly as "organic" as most people think. As always, much more than meets the eye...

There is def alot of truth in this..
Ive read a decent theory that they hijacked the anti war movements and turned them into deadhead drug fiends.
Basicly the proto hippies were smart people with enough numbers to make a positive change in society.
Then it morphed into some newagey drug cult/mkultra experiment.

With that said im not bashing people who just wanted to go to woodstock and get high and have fun.
But it could have been alot more then it became.

 

[Ismene2]

There is def alot of truth in this..
Ive read a decent theory that they hijacked the anti war movements and turned them into deadhead drug fiends.
Basicly the proto hippies were smart people with enough numbers to make a positive change in society.
Then it morphed into some newagey drug cult/mkultra experiment.

With that said im not bashing people who just wanted to go to woodstock and get high and have fun.
But it could have been alot more then it became.

Never heard of spreading LSD to "control" the people - how would that work? The story I think that's based on is the black panthers saying the CIA flooded black areas with heroin the late 60s - which sounds more believeable than spreading LSD which is about as harmless a drug as drugs can get.

 

[Xorkoth]

Not sure about in the instance of the hippies, as they seemed afraid of that movement and everyone "dropping out" a la fuckhead Leary. But LSD was definitely used in MKUltra in their search for ways to mind control people

 

[AussieJoe]

It wouldnt work to control ppl ...too much of a rollercoaster ride.Someone did an experiment gave it to some soldiers think they were british ...theres a video out there .The idea was to help them in war situations lmao backfired totally they were running around chasing their hallucinations one fkr was up a tree if i remember rightly....anyways they were hopeless.Many other things far more effective to control folk.Dont think psychedelics would play a part ...sinister groups may try to manipulate in a particular direction ....then again manson had his minions do lots of shit.Who knows its history ...im happy i got to do lots of acid in the 70s for a number of years ....good memories

 

[Bitchniggaz]

Never heard of spreading LSD to "control" the people - how would that work? The story I think that's based on is the black panthers saying the CIA flooded black areas with heroin the late 60s - which sounds more believeable than spreading LSD which is about as harmless a drug as drugs can get.

There is documents points that they had a idea to use LSD for mind control (official mkultra experiment)
However it seems they misjudged the potential for the substance.
I do however beleives you can def put ideas in peoples head of you dose them enough and repeat a bunch of lies.

But my point wasnt about lsd only, more about directing the culture with the whole drug movement and various substances.

I know that lsd is what most people think about when talking about hippies.
But they did all kinds of drugs beside just acid.


Im open to the theory that they tried doing this, however it probably wasnt very effective so they switched tactics and just started flooding the streets with hard drugs instead.
I dont exactly know how much acid was around during the 80's.
But i suspect that there was alot less LSD around once the H and crack started to tanke over.

 

[AutoTripper]

The wide release of LSD, as well as subtly laying and allowing the social and entertainment terrain to form for it, was importantly a massive catalyst for pacyfying political uprest early 60's, mellowing humanity out with a sense of freedom, peace, love, happiness.

And crucially, giving rise to Rock music. The "cult" behind this all whom all clever souls would surely have been well aware of, used rock music as a vital part of their culture shaping/steering, ideology moulding very longterm actually (as in, still in play IMO).

Hence Woodstock. Really they just screwed up a lot of naive people's heads with that psy op.

Loads of cops even got spiked lol.


Nobody exactly said LSD was pumped out to "control" people. Definitely to engineer though.

They "gave" us a great drug, new hippie culture, decades of music cultures.

Whatever they were plotting at longer term, however counterintuitive it seems, I'd say they are right on track.


Remember that life must appear to flow naturally, not be an engineered, plotted course.


Now if only they just sprayed LSD instead of Chemtrails lol we would have an interesting crater for sure.


Music though. Sound, the ear. Putting the python into a trance. Through various musics they have hypnotised entranced and bewitched us.

I do consider Syd Barrett was surely an MK ULTRA victim, or sacrifice.

No way would he sign over like Jim Morrison.

I even cooked up this wild idea they used some ritual to siphon a portion of his creativity into Roger Waters to kickstart "The Pink Floyd" empire.

Just a small dose was enough. Pink Floyd parade the all seeing eye of Ra.


"Run like hell" is a good track from later years.

Sorrow was long a favourite of mine. Before..

 

[The Shadow Self]

Never heard of spreading LSD to "control" the people - how would that work? The story I think that's based on is the black panthers saying the CIA flooded black areas with heroin the late 60s - which sounds more believeable than spreading LSD which is about as harmless a drug as drugs can g

There is documents points that they had a idea to use LSD for mind control (official mkultra experiment)
However it seems they misjudged the potential for the substance.
I do however beleives you can def put ideas in peoples head of you dose them enough and repeat a bunch of lies.

But my point wasnt about lsd only, more about directing the culture with the whole drug movement and various substances.

I know that lsd is what most people think about when talking about hippies.
But they did all kinds of drugs beside just acid.


Im open to the theory that they tried doing this, however it probably wasnt very effective so they switched tactics and just started flooding the streets with hard drugs instead.
I dont exactly know how much acid was around during the 80's.
But i suspect that there was alot less LSD around once the H and crack started to tanke over.

There are volumes written about CIA exploits and counter-culture movements, as you likely know. And yes...the tsunami of drugs began in earnest in the 80s once America was carpet-bombed with blow. In the 70s, there was tons of weed making to America and even when I graduated HS in the early 80s, people used to sell it in school and it was hard to not find.

Back in the 80s, it was almost impossible to go to any social function and NOT have there be one or multiple people selling coke, and most people were doing it. It was out of control. This was when the floodgates opened up and it has only gotten far worse since then, of course. And here we are, the world awash in drugs with access to countless chemicals being available to anyone who can pay for them.

As for LSD in the 80s? Again, it was everywhere at least in part due to the incredible amount of touring bands (including the Dead, of course) that reached the apex of touring at that time. Here in the Northeast, at least, the touring bands were crushing it in the 80s and I was attending concerts on at least a monthly basis and regularly, a weekly basis. Sometimes seeing the same major band at two different venues in a 2 day span. This was common as in this area we had The Hartford Civic Center, Springfield Civic Center, New Haven Coliseum, Worcester Centrum, and Providence CC in driving distance. This was also a time when you could go see a triple bill of major bands for 20 bucks or less. In fact, one of the first major shows I went to in 1981 was Ozzy Osbourne, Motorhead, and Joe Perry Project and I think the tickets were 10.50 or 11.50, just for context.

But yeah...there was a ton of very high quality LSD pretty much everywhere in the 80s, and at almost any given concert venue you could fairly easily find sheets for 150 bucks or less and could always find paper or microdots routinely. More often than not, it was insanely good quality and getting ripped off by even a stranger was mostly uncommon, but not out of the question. So even selling hits for 3 or 4 bucks a piece back then was common. The real dry spell came in the 90s.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

There are volumes written about CIA exploits and counter-culture movements, as you likely know. And yes...the tsunami of drugs began in earnest in the 80s once America was carpet-bombed with blow. In the 70s, there was tons of weed making to America and even when I graduated HS in the early 80s, people used to sell it in school and it was hard to not find.

Back in the 80s, it was almost impossible to go to any social function and NOT have there be one or multiple people selling coke, and most people were doing it. It was out of control. This was when the floodgates opened up and it has only gotten far worse since then, of course. And here we are, the world awash in drugs with access to countless chemicals being available to anyone who can pay for them.

As for LSD in the 80s? Again, it was everywhere at least in part due to the incredible amount of touring bands (including the Dead, of course) that reached the apex of touring at that time. Here in the Northeast, at least, the touring bands were crushing it in the 80s and I was attending concerts on at least a monthly basis and regularly, a weekly basis. Sometimes seeing the same major band at two different venues in a 2 day span. This was common as in this area we had The Hartford Civic Center, Springfield Civic Center, New Haven Coliseum, Worcester Centrum, and Providence CC in driving distance. This was also a time when you could go see a triple bill of major bands for 20 bucks or less. In fact, one of the first major shows I went to in 1981 was Ozzy Osbourne, Motorhead, and Joe Perry Project and I think the tickets were 10.50 or 11.50, just for context.

But yeah...there was a ton of very high quality LSD pretty much everywhere in the 80s, and at almost any given concert venue you could fairly easily find sheets for 150 bucks or less and could always find paper or microdots routinely. More often than not, it was insanely good quality and getting ripped off by even a stranger was mostly uncommon, but not out of the question. So even selling hits for 3 or 4 bucks a piece back then was common. The real dry spell came in the 90s.

Thanks for sharing, my knowledge of the LSD supply in America is quite limited.
Ive mostly heard that it went down alot in the 90's.
Just guessed that it started earlier then that.
But it makes sense to first flood the market with other products and later pull the rug from the people wanting acid.

Not saying most lsd users just switched to cocaine straight up.
But alot of people just want to get high and probably didnt have any real preference about what substance they get ahold of.

 

[Ismene2]

I try not to read about all the Mkultra - it's like reading about fucking Donald Trump's thought about acid. Just the entirely wrong idea in every way possible.

Anyway don't assrape my thread you muppets! if you want to talk mkultra start another thread. I thank you.

 

[AutoTripper]

Okay elsewhere for straight real discussion then.

 

[AutoTripper]

I try not to read about all the Mkultra - it's like reading about fucking Donald Trump's thought about acid. Just the entirely wrong idea in every way possible.

Anyway don't assrape my thread you muppets! if you want to talk mkultra start another thread. I thank you.

Also, no MK ULTRA, chance you might not even have your new found and cherished crystal acid today.

 

[Ismene2]

Also, no MK ULTRA, chance you might not even have your new found and cherished crystal acid today.

Let me know when you get your crystal

 

[JackARoe]

But yeah...there was a ton of very high quality LSD pretty much everywhere in the 80s, a stranger was mostly uncommon, but not out of the question. So even selling hits for 3 or 4 bucks a piece back then was common.

Yeah, the sheets (still wet and blotter layed with the crystal as it was said) were around the Dead shows and whenever the band played a city a lot of acid was left behind. Straight through the 1980's. I can say a lot of it was not to make money at sometimes 50 cents a hit when all was said and done. Usually a friend of a friend knew someone with the new batches. Then in the 90's I had to pay 5 + dollars. (forgive me talking price it is just to make a point that the whole notion was to just get acid out)

I will be honest, I never heard any terms till the 90's. White Fluff, Lavender Fluff, etc... Before that the only thing I heard before buying a sheet was the crystal was just layed. I mean the only folklore we had was the whole strychnine myth. lol But acid was easy to get in the 80's and cheap and did not seem for profit. People gave it away at shows.

Not sure how that factors into the different qualities today. I assumed most of it today was top notch. But I am out of the loop with any current market.