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someguyontheinternet said:
The link that the quote is from is about a study that Israel put out
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please tell me, what evidence specifically contradicts that the blockade is necessary for Israel's security. You posted the link so you should be able to articulate that. What does coriander have to do with preventing weapons being smuggled into Gaza?
 
mal3volent said:
please tell me, what evidence specifically contradicts that the blockade is necessary for Israel's security. You posted the link so you should be able to articulate that. What does coriander have to do with preventing weapons being smuggled into Gaza?
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You seem to be awful focused on one minor part of the quoted articles that wouldn't detract from the overall point of my post if it were not present. I've edited it out to reduce the distractions. If you have questions about the article I would encourage you to contact the author.

I'll refer you back to piece of the post that encompass the main point which is the unnecessary restriction of Palestinian diet in order to collectively punish the population.

'How can Israel claim that it is not responsible for civilian life in Gaza when it controls even the type and quantity of food that Palestinian residents of Gaza are permitted to consume?" asked Sari Bashi, Gisha's executive director, in a statement.'

'"Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government."'
 
someguyontheinternet said:
You seem to be awful focused on one minor part of the quoted articles that wouldn't detract from the overall point of my post if it were not present. I've edited it out to reduce the distractions. If you have questions about the article I would encourage you to contact the author.

I'll refer you back to piece of the post that encompass the main point which is the unnecessary restriction of Palestinian diet in order to collectively punish the population.

'How can Israel claim that it is not responsible for civilian life in Gaza when it controls even the type and quantity of food that Palestinian residents of Gaza are permitted to consume?" asked Sari Bashi, Gisha's executive director, in a statement.'

'"Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government."'
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You act offended that I point out logical inconsistencies in sources you provide.
Don't be annoyed at me, be annoyed with the author. Perhaps you should contact him.

Have you ever thought about the unique circumstance Israel finds itself in? Having to provide aid to a group of people who literally want to exterminate them? Who hide amongst the civilian population? How are they to provide nourishment to civilians without filling the bellies of terrorists who will use that as fuel to plan more attacks against them? No one ever talks about innocent Israeli civilians, but they need protection too. With that mind, one could make an argument that the most ethical thing to do (given all the factors I mentioned) would be to provide basic sustenance only.

You do realize war is hell right? It's not meant to be ice cream and cotton candy. It certainly wasn't for all the women raped and killed on 7 Oct. It isn't fair to the Palestinian people either. They deserve better. But you should focus your righteous indignation on Hamas for creating this problem. Wasting all their aid money building terror tunnels and hoarding food rather than building up their "country". (Well, I guess the ICC refers to it as a State now, apparently they have that authority 😂)

Come on man. You are way fucking smarter than me. You should let facts and reason guide you rather than having a predetermined worldview and working backwards from there. I know how ostracizing it would probably be for you though, so I get why you do it.
 
I'm not offended, just sticking to the topic of my post.

So do you think its the correct thing to do to punish the civilian population by putting them "on a diet"?
 
someguyontheinternet said:
I'm not offended, just sticking to the topic of my post.

So do you think its the correct thing to do to punish the civilian population by putting them "on a diet"?
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I think it is acceptable given that Israel is fighting an enemy that immerses itself within the civilian population that they provide a basic amount of sustenance. There is no easy answer. Israel is put in a situation and held to a standard that no other country ever has ever been before. They're expected to wage a full scale war against an existential threat while every move they make is magnified and scrutinized by the global media. Not even the United States had that kind of pressure put on them during their wars in the Middle East...
 
I know you are trying to back me into the collective punishment angle. I don't see how that concept could even be applied here. There is literally no way to fight a war against Hamas without inflicting some amount of pain on civilians. As I've said a million fucking times now, that's why Hamas does it. They know that without that crutch they'd be eviscerated in 5 seconds.
 
"Then a movement of Zionism was formed by non-practicing Jews with a goal to transform Judaism from a religion into nationalism, and to replace fulfillment of the Torah with allegiance to a political movement as the defining quality of a Jew. This is a general uprooting of Judaism.

In particular, one of the basics of Judaism is that we are a people in exile due to Divine decree. and required to be loyal citizens, not rebel or wage wars, Our banishment from the Holy Land was a Devine decree and will end miraculously at a time when all mankind will unite in the brotherly service of the Creator. Therefore the ideology of Zionism, a recent innovation, which seeks to force the end of exile, is contrary to Jewish belief and millennia of well accepted Jewish tradition."

Mission statement - Neturei Karta International

nkusa.org nkusa.org
 
"Shimon Boker, a deputy mayor of Beersheba who is tied to Netanyahu’s party, went on Israeli TV to say, “I think we should have gone into Rafah yesterday. There are no uninvolved [innocent] civilians there. You have to go in and kill and kill and kill.” There are 600,000 children in Rafah."

www.google.com

It’s Clearer Than Ever: Israel’s War Has Failed Catastrophically

The invasion of Rafah is not a sign of strength. It’s a sign of desperation from a flailing government.
www.google.com www.google.com
 
"The Israeli war on Gaza has resulted in very heavy civilian casualties. Some people have called the war “horrific,” the “deadliest,” or a “humanitarian catastrophe-tsunami.” Others claim that it is a genocide. In order to grasp the extent of the war’s brutality, this article compared it with three cases that are recognized as genocides either by international institutions or Western authorities: the Herero and Nama massacre (1904–5), the Armenian deportation (1915–6), and the fall of Srebrenica (1995). The analysis found many common aspects among the four cases. The scale of violence of the recent Israeli war has already exceeded the initial stages of ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and is becoming an immense ethnic cleansing comparable with the Armenian case. In light of the bellicose discriminatory discourses of the Israeli leaders, systematic destruction of civilian targets, forced starvation, and rapidly deteriorating hygiene conditions in Gaza, there are ample grounds to believe that the war on Gaza will develop into a full-fledged genocide if unchecked."

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someguyontheinternet said:
"The Israeli war on Gaza has resulted in very heavy civilian casualties. Some people have called the war “horrific,” the “deadliest,” or a “humanitarian catastrophe-tsunami.” Others claim that it is a genocide. In order to grasp the extent of the war’s brutality, this article compared it with three cases that are recognized as genocides either by international institutions or Western authorities: the Herero and Nama massacre (1904–5), the Armenian deportation (1915–6), and the fall of Srebrenica (1995). The analysis found many common aspects among the four cases. The scale of violence of the recent Israeli war has already exceeded the initial stages of ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and is becoming an immense ethnic cleansing comparable with the Armenian case. In light of the bellicose discriminatory discourses of the Israeli leaders, systematic destruction of civilian targets, forced starvation, and rapidly deteriorating hygiene conditions in Gaza, there are ample grounds to believe that the war on Gaza will develop into a full-fledged genocide if unchecked."

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Got to love the impartiality there.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
In light of the bellicose discriminatory discourses of the Israeli leaders, systematic destruction of civilian targets, forced starvation, and rapidly deteriorating hygiene conditions in Gaza, there are ample grounds to believe that the war on Gaza will develop into a full-fledged genocide if unchecked.
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So dang hyperbolic man. Just saying.
 
Is this hyperbolic?

"Invest this energy in one thing;
Erasing all of Gaza from the face of the earth.
That the Gazan monsters will fly to the southern fence and try to enter Egyptian territory.
or they will die."



She is a member of the Knesset, and she isn't the only Israeli politician that speaks like this. See my previous post:

someguyontheinternet said:
"Shimon Boker, a deputy mayor of Beersheba who is tied to Netanyahu’s party, went on Israeli TV to say, “I think we should have gone into Rafah yesterday. There are no uninvolved [innocent] civilians there. You have to go in and kill and kill and kill.” There are 600,000 children in Rafah."

www.google.com

It’s Clearer Than Ever: Israel’s War Has Failed Catastrophically

The invasion of Rafah is not a sign of strength. It’s a sign of desperation from a flailing government.
www.google.com www.google.com
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someguyontheinternet said:
Is this hyperbolic?

"Invest this energy in one thing;
Erasing all of Gaza from the face of the earth.
That the Gazan monsters will fly to the southern fence and try to enter Egyptian territory.
or they will die."



She is a member of the Knesset, and she isn't the only Israeli politician that speaks like this. See my previous post:
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How do single comments from fringe Knesset members and deputy mayors translate into actual military actions?
I mean, the Atbaryan woman doesn't "believe autism exists", either -- despite her child having it.
So probably not a person of sound mind.
She's giving Marjorie Taylor Greene.

If MTG said something fucked up about Jews, then Biden pulled funding from Israel, would you draw a line connecting the two, or would you write her off as a loon?
 
mal3volent said:
probably not many since Hamas chose to use civilian infrastructure as military infrastructure. How long until you absorb this fact? We've been over it at least two dozen times.
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They destroyed infrastructure after areas were evacuated.
Got nothing to do with hammas.
 
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