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mal3volent said:
oh yeah, totally makes sense. That explains all the Native American and African American terrorist groups that popped up after the atrocities committed to their people.

oh wait... never mind.
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Modal fallacy - Wikipedia

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"A condition X is necessary for Y if X is required for even the possibility of Y. X does not bring about Y by itself, but if there is no X, there will be no Y. For example, oxygen is necessary for fire. But one cannot assume that everywhere there is oxygen, there is fire. A condition X is sufficient for Y if X, by itself, is enough to bring about Y. For example, riding the bus is a sufficient mode of transportation to get to work. But there are other modes of transportation – car, taxi, bicycle, walking – that can be used." (this is quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies, referring to modal fallacy)

you know, anyway, there were lots of clashes between natives and colonialists. They didn't call themselves terrorists or had terrorists handbook, but anyway...
 
Native Americans wouldn't put their children in harms way or use their area to shoot from knowing it would come back to them.
They value life and are not indoctrinated to hate everyone who doesn't believe what they do.
That's why, not because they didn't use the word terrorist
 
Pissed_and_messed said:

Modal fallacy - Wikipedia

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"A condition X is necessary for Y if X is required for even the possibility of Y. X does not bring about Y by itself, but if there is no X, there will be no Y. For example, oxygen is necessary for fire. But one cannot assume that everywhere there is oxygen, there is fire. A condition X is sufficient for Y if X, by itself, is enough to bring about Y. For example, riding the bus is a sufficient mode of transportation to get to work. But there are other modes of transportation – car, taxi, bicycle, walking – that can be used." (this is quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies, referring to modal fallacy)

you know, anyway, there were lots of clashes between natives and colonialists. They didn't call themselves terrorists or had terrorists handbook, but anyway...
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There were also clashes of different native groups.
They fought for territory, raped women, slaughtered other tribes.
Seems people think before it was colonized they all sat around singing and loving each other . Not the case at all
It's kinda annoying when non native people use native people to try to get a point across when they know nothing about native people.

Sorry for being off topic
 
mal3volent said:
the UN
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so you must believe in defunding the police, right? since there is a percentage of bad cops?

i guess israel didn't do a good enough job vetting the employees, huh?

and i guess that means more babies will starve to death. o well, they were just baby terrorists, right?
 
nepalnt21 said:
so you must believe in defunding the police, right? since there is a percentage of bad cops?

i guess israel didn't do a good enough job vetting the employees, huh?

and i guess that means more babies will starve to death. o well, they were just baby terrorists, right?
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Well cops actually provide a valuable service to society, unlike the UN.
 
@Mjäll I am on molly and I am still pissed off of that condesdencing bullshit you repeat.

You have had also some respectable conversation, just realize there is not reason to act like you were better than others. Trying to live that reality just turns to self-hate.
 
i mean, you implied it... they literally keep babies from starving to death which you don't think is a valuable service.
 
nepalnt21 said:
i mean, you implied it... they literally keep babies from starving to death which you don't think is a valuable service.
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Right. They save babies when they aren't being complicit in killing them.
There are other organizations out there who feed kids without participating in terrorism. :idea:
 
Pissed_and_messed said:

Modal fallacy - Wikipedia

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"A condition X is necessary for Y if X is required for even the possibility of Y. X does not bring about Y by itself, but if there is no X, there will be no Y. For example, oxygen is necessary for fire. But one cannot assume that everywhere there is oxygen, there is fire. A condition X is sufficient for Y if X, by itself, is enough to bring about Y. For example, riding the bus is a sufficient mode of transportation to get to work. But there are other modes of transportation – car, taxi, bicycle, walking – that can be used." (this is quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies, referring to modal fallacy)

you know, anyway, there were lots of clashes between natives and colonialists. They didn't call themselves terrorists or had terrorists handbook, but anyway...
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He's doing the opposite of that fallacy you posted though. He's pointing to examples where oppression didn't automatically lead to violence. OTOH, the argument that Israel's treatment of Gazans inevitably brings about violence against Israel essentially does commit that fallacy.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
@Mjäll I am on molly and I am still pissed off of that condesdencing bullshit you repeat.

You have had also some respectable conversation, just realize there is not reason to act like you were better than others. Trying to live that reality just turns to self-hate.
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And yet there your opponent warmed up to you for once, all because of me. Uniting force of good as i am.

And yet again, it's obvious that no-one would be condescending anyone here if everyone had the sense to not take sides in this shit.

And to clarify, i've been no more condescending than you're being toward each other.

Make of it what you will.
 
swilow said:
it's what you do
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i respond to the pertinent parts. do you think it would be less tedious to respond to EVERY little word? how fruitless...

and you didn't address why you were LYING about me again, LYING that i don't condemn hamas. is it tedious to lie for no gain?
 
mal3volent said:
complicit in killing them.
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so far (afaik) israel (who is known for lying) gave evidence of ONE person out of the TWELVE they accused of participating in the crimes of october 7th...

do you have good evidence that unrwa knew or was complicit? i'd love to see it.

do you condemn all police for the corruption of a fraction of officers?

do you condemn israel for the crimes and bad attitudes of the awful right wing zionists?

still, i really can't wait for the good evidence that the whole organization is complicit. i'll try and wait with breath held.
 
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