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im sorry I dont think I was advocating for the US to be involved. not sure where you are going with that.
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Phobos
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One of the things that I think lots of people are confused about, is that they believe Hamas to be an entity that fights for Palestine.
They do not, they are an organization that exploits the situation in Palestine to attack the West.
They could not care less for the people of Palestine, they have road blocks and patrols preventing people leaving Gaza and abandoning the areas that are going to be bombed.
Israel warns the residents of the area by dropping flyers and sending texts, and Hamas keeps them there.
No there isn't any actual proof that there is a base under the hospital. They pointed at a hole in the ground for a water tank and claimed it was a tunnel. Nothing moreyeah, I get it.
It was pure coincidence that the tunnels and military command center were below that Hospital, right?
And now everyone is spouting that like its fact
mal3volent
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See this is what I'm talking about. You are unbelievable.
Is all this evidence fabricated? Including the footage of gunfire coming out of the hospital? You think that 'hole in the ground" is for a water tank? There's a fucking ladder going down it. You don't place large water tanks that close to a building, either. It doesn't make sense.
Israel publishes ‘proof’ Hamas is hiding terror tunnels under hospital
IDF claims Gaza medical facility funded by foreign Muslim donors was custom-built with underground network
www.telegraph.co.uk
The weapons inside the cemetery? Made up?
What about the Shifa hospital , totally fake too right?
They've been doing shit like this forever. But I guess it's just decades of lying right? At what point does smoke indicate fire?
From 2014:
They just have like 4 images of a hole in the ground lol that's not proof of anything. The image that is claimed to be a terrorist shooting from the hospital doesn't appear to show anything either
You'll probably brush off these reports I assume because they were done by Arabs?
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You'll probably brush off these reports I assume because they were done by Arabs?
Investigation confirms 'Hamas tunnels' at Qatar Hospital in Gaza are tank openings
The investigative unit analysed old photos of the hospital as well as its floor plan. Arab investigative unit Eekad published findings of a probe that looked into Israeli claims of…
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Investigation disproves Israel claim of Hamas tunnel under Gaza hospital
The hatch Israel claimed was a Hamas tunnel is only a water reservoir for the hospital
mal3volent
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They just have like 4 images of a hole in the ground lol that's not proof of anything. The image that is claimed to be a terrorist shooting from the hospital doesn't appear to show anything either
You'll probably brush off these reports I assume because they were done by Arabs?
Investigation confirms 'Hamas tunnels' at Qatar Hospital in Gaza are tank openings
The investigative unit analysed old photos of the hospital as well as its floor plan. Arab investigative unit Eekad published findings of a probe that looked into Israeli claims of…
Investigation disproves Israel claim of Hamas tunnel under Gaza hospital
The hatch Israel claimed was a Hamas tunnel is only a water reservoir for the hospital
Not because they're Arab. Because for the fucking fifteenth time they're funded by Qatar. So sorry for not trusting the guys who are harboring the leaders of Hamas to do objective reporting.
I didn't think you'd respond to my post honestly though. You have your Marxist echo chamber and you're perfectly happy with that.
I'm really wondering what you see in those pictures besides a hole in the ground. Oh a ladder, because water tanks don't need service access? Are the missiles flying directly out of the hole? Where is the footage of the missiles getting fired from hospitals? I have yet to see any
mal3volent
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I see a hole in the ground, yes.
If I were Hamas and wanted an entry point to an underground tunnel network that extends under that hospital, it would actually make a lot of sense to convert an opening that was already there that wouldn't immediately draw suspicion.
I mean what are you up to here? Are you trying to say the tunnel network doesn't exist, or that Hamas cares so much about their people that they would morally object to building said tunnels underneath hospitals? Which is it?
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so you DO understand that the leaders of hamas are in qatar... then how do you justify all the excess civilian deaths by the idf? it's ok to kill thousands of innocent children to get a couple low- level hamas guys?
and how can this possibly be about protecting/ defending israel when they are clearly creating more terrorists?
do you really think the israeli government is stupid enough to think these are effective tactics?
assclass
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unrwa also allows their buildings to hide militants and bunkers.
assclass
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Hamas uses civilians as shields.
Define excess civilians deaths. Weren't the deaths of the people at the music festival excess?
Please learn about the laws of armed conflict. It's not illegal to bomb a target and cause civilian deaths. It's an unfortunate reality of war.
It is not necessarily illegal to bomb a military target in Gaza and cause collateral damage. It is ok to attack military targets that may unfortunately kill kids, because the terrorists put their rocket launchers in places where kids are used as human shields, but because there are legitimate military targets its a legal strike.
You know the IDF warns people to leave right?
How do you justify terrorists that use children as human shields?
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Yeah the AP shared the building of their Gaza HQ with Hamas that got bombed in 2021, so we'll see how the recent story plays out once scrutinized
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I'm not going to believe the 4000 children number until I see verifiable reports. It doesn't seem realistic to me.
It took over 20 years for 33,000 children to die in Afghanistan -- I'm supposed to believe that Israel accomplished 12% of that in just a few weeks?
I'm not saying it's not true. I'm saying I'm skeptical.
As far as the leaders. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in how Hamas structures its military command. But I would assume there are many, many, high level targets in Gaza.
I'm trying to say that while there are tunnels they aren't under every hospital in Gaza, even the majority. Israel is using this as an excuse to bomb hospitals, and its working.
UN chief says something is "clearly wrong" with Israel’s Gaza operation, pointing to civilian deaths
Thousands of Palestinians are fleeing northern Gaza as Israel continues its offensive in the war against Hamas. Follow for live news updates.
I think Gaza is a bit more concentrated population wise than Afghanistan
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No, because they're biased. The "Doha news" refers to the IDF as the IOF- Israeli Occupying Force. That doest speak to journalistic integrity.
You're making it seem like it was an unsophisticated bunch of goons who carried out the biggest massacre of jews since the Holocaust.
Poor brown people have no agency according to the leftist.
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I really hate how the Palestinian civilian death count is the ONLY piece of data a lot of people on social media are using to judge Israel's actions. It completely minimizes and distorts the context and history of the situation and deceptively frames those deaths as what they want to call it, a racist genocide.
and of course, people on the internet can't be bothered to do any actual research or read up about it at all, they eat this information without question, and it's leading to legions of people believing a certain narrative. People need to be informed before they go around throwing out words like genocide and ethnic cleansing. It's extremely dangerous to do that.
As I've said before, I think Israel needs to chill out a bit and not be so hasty. Killing children is not cool and they have no license to do that. But child deaths are going to be unavoidable to some degree in a country where 50% of them are children.
Why have we not seen any sort of uprising in Palestine to stop Hamas? Why do their non-Hamas political leaders say nothing? Why have I not seen a single Muslim denounce Hamas? All they mention is genocide and ethnic cleansing. Of course people within the country probably have limited ability to do so, but I'm talking about Muslims commenting from outside the country and on the internet.
Everyone is so focused on what ISRAEL is doing and not the evil harboring within PALESTINE.
It's not a one sided situation no matter how much people want it to be.
Israel is clearly making a lot of mistakes and made dubious statements in the last month, but we need to look at everything objectively and not our subjective emotions and beliefs.
and of course, people on the internet can't be bothered to do any actual research or read up about it at all, they eat this information without question, and it's leading to legions of people believing a certain narrative. People need to be informed before they go around throwing out words like genocide and ethnic cleansing. It's extremely dangerous to do that.
As I've said before, I think Israel needs to chill out a bit and not be so hasty. Killing children is not cool and they have no license to do that. But child deaths are going to be unavoidable to some degree in a country where 50% of them are children.
Why have we not seen any sort of uprising in Palestine to stop Hamas? Why do their non-Hamas political leaders say nothing? Why have I not seen a single Muslim denounce Hamas? All they mention is genocide and ethnic cleansing. Of course people within the country probably have limited ability to do so, but I'm talking about Muslims commenting from outside the country and on the internet.
Everyone is so focused on what ISRAEL is doing and not the evil harboring within PALESTINE.
It's not a one sided situation no matter how much people want it to be.
Israel is clearly making a lot of mistakes and made dubious statements in the last month, but we need to look at everything objectively and not our subjective emotions and beliefs.
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