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someguyontheinternet said:
They're just telling you that its unintentional but their behavior says otherwise. They claims they know where Hamas is but they still have to bomb a journalist's house killing them and their family? They have guided missiles Hamas does not. The families killed in the west bank are just accidents? Its just an accident when they claim they got a Hamas member when they bomb a refugee camp even though they never present evidence of that
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Why would they want to kill civilians? Strategically, it makes zero sense for two reasons- civilians are not the ones firing rockets at them, and the more civilians they kill, the less they can rely on the support of the international community and their own population, and the more Palestinian civilians they turn into members of Hamas. Israel may be powerful but they know very well their glaring geographical vulnerability, being surrounded by nations that at best tolerate them, at worst would readily ally against them under pretty clear circumstances.

You will emotionally reply by claiming that Israel are hiding their main aim of "ethnic cleansing" which is by your account their primary goal, in which case I would say they're doing a fucking terrible job. The civilians casualties are too high but are also incredibly low given the population density, especially if massacring civilians was the actual military goal here. Which is just clearly isn't.

The propaganda that so many have swallowed is almost certainly that which Iran sought to have spread by authorising and financing this attack. Iran knows Hamas are not going to defeat Israel militarily, but they can force Israel into a conflict in which thousands of innocent people die and the western world will turn on Israel. It should worry you that you are effectively falling for the propaganda and supporting the overarching aim of a brutal totalitarian Islamic theocracy.

someguyontheinternet said:
From my perspective many westerners are saying that the insane amount of 'collateral' damage is totally fine because they maybe sometimes might kill a Hamas member.
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None of this is "fine". It's a hellish nightmare for all involved, especially the Gazans who are trapped between a rock and a hard place. Maybe though the only chance they truly have is for Hamas to be obliterated forever?
 
nepalnt21 said:
funny. yeah they do... they just do it from afar with missiles/ bombs. "not perfect" is a funny way of handwaving away war crimes.


it's a waste of time for countless americans including a few lawmakers to try and convince the right ppl to stop giving billions to israel for the purposes of mass murder?



uh... stop bombing innocent civilians and hostages, give humanitarian aid to the palestinian civilians, send in special ops to get low tier hamas, pay qatar (some of the billions the u.s. is giving them) to let the right peeps go in, and get THE ACTUAL LEADERS OF HAMAS THAT ARE NOT EVEN IN GAZA???

how about pretty much anything but what they're doing right now, because they're just making everything much worse.


israel: "hey innocent gazans! move south!" (bombs the south, bombs hospitals, bombs u.n. shelters and schools, bombs refugee camp)

over 4 THOUSAND palestinian CHILDREN dead now in this latest conflict.
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What no

Of course nobody else should be funding either of those sides

This is an obvious corollary of my "argument" which isn't even an argument but just a blunt truth many people are too "humanitarian" to see.

Why care about Palestine? The only thing we should care about is the risk of nuclear world war from engaging in the petty lives of abrahamitic retards in the saddest place on earth where nobody should even live. The western world gave one of those idiot camps economic opportunities and even a country - they made "skunk spray" and secret weapons against their nemesis. They also made soda stream and some banging tunes, sure. In proper reality they'd still be using sticks and stones. European superiority should've been maintained. Middle east shouldn't even have tap water. We need to fix this by not caring any more about useless total strangers and the stupid idea of a unified world in its most dangerously naïve form. That is, the assumption that we "are all equal" in some magical sense that led us to put the guard down for enemy tribes. This dumb world of braindead ant people is eating the corpse of Europe and its technological flourishing.
 
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The international community has made it quite clear that Israel can do whatever it wants and get away with it, because everyone is too busy condemning Hamas and patting each other on the back to notice.

Should I post the video where Netanyahu says Americans are easy to manipulate again?

They're killing civilians to take their homes and land, that's exactly what is happening in the west bank. Its ethnic cleansing because Israel wants a Jewish only state. Haven't we been over this?
 
someguyontheinternet said:
The international community has made it quite clear that Israel can do whatever it wants and get away with it, because everyone is too busy condemning Hamas and patting each other on the back to notice.
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Huh? I see the exact opposite.

The media is very anti-Israel. Social media is very anti-Israel. The United Nations voted for overwhelmingly for a ceasefire, 120 (for) - 14 (against). Human rights organizations are denouncing Israel.

I have seen nothing but the international community telling Israel to stop.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
The international community has made it quite clear that Israel can do whatever it wants and get away with it, because everyone is too busy condemning Hamas and patting each other on the back to notice.

Should I post the video where Netanyahu says Americans are easy to manipulate again?

They're killing civilians to take their homes and land, that's exactly what is happening in the west bank. Its ethnic cleansing because Israel wants a Jewish only state. Haven't we been over this?
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Netanyahu is of course a fucking pig

Find me one Palestinian worth a damn tho.
 
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Snafu in the Void said:
Huh? I see the exact opposite.

The media is very anti-Israel. Social media is very anti-Israel. The United Nations voted for overwhelmingly for a ceasefire, 120 (for) - 14 (against). Human rights organizations are denouncing Israel.

I have seen nothing but the international community telling Israel to stop.
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We are living in reality Snafu... 🙂
 
-=SS=- said:
As they fucking should be quite frankly. If they're not prepared to condemn Hamas then personally I won't trust a god damn word that comes out of their mouths.
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So do you condemn the IDF?

Snafu in the Void said:
They aren't intentionally obliterating children, it's technically collateral damage.
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Oops, I “accidentally” killed 4000 children in 3 weeks.
My bad, it’s just collateral damage.
What do you mean, collective punishment and the use of white phosphorus against civilians are war crimes?
 
Snafu in the Void said:
I see the exact opposite.
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the united states is literally funding it.

there are only a couple of senators so far that have had the gizzard to say the word "ceasefire". our lawmakers and ones in the uk parliament (i saw a labor party stiff say it) censure, shame, etc. pro- palestinian activists.

the major powers of the west are pretty much towing the line.
 
arrall said:
Oops, I “accidentally” killed 4000 children in 3 weeks.
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Your only source for that is the Hamas controlled health officials in Gaza. The ones who said 500 people died in the hospital bombed by Israel, but then ended up being a parking lot bombed by Hamas.

We have no idea how accurate those numbers are. But we do know they lie to generate outcry from the West.
 
mal3volent said:
Your only source for that is the Hamas controlled health officials in Gaza. The ones who said 500 people died in the hospital bombed by Israel, but then ended up being a parking lot bombed by Hamas
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It is actually from the West Bank, and they have released all of the names.
Their numbers have also been within 2-5% of the UN’s for every conflict since the turn of the century.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Do you not see how crazy that is?
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i like the dude that asked pierce morgan a hypothetical about northern ireland...

if the ira went out and raped, murdered, etc.. beheaded babies, etc... would it make sense for the british armed forces to level belfast?

pierce: "but the ira didn't do that"

gigachad: "it's a hypothetical"

pierce: "i don't engage with hypotheticals"

what a bitch
 
arrall said:
It is actually from the West Bank, and they have released all of the names.
Their numbers have also been within 2-5% of the UN’s for every conflict since the turn of the century.
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the numbers are from the West Bank? What do you mean? Every single article I can find references the Hamas-controlled Gaza health ministry.
 
Listen 1 dead child is too many. But these deaths are on Hamas not Israel. They could've surrendered weeks ago and spared all of them.

As horrific as it is, Israel has no other option than to continue and be as targeted as they possibly can be under the circumstances. But it's probably hard when the terrorists use ambulances, schools, and hospitals as cover. And prevent their people from evacuating south...
 
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