I already have many times in this thread, or have you forgotten how to read? You definitely won't condemn the genocidal actions of Israel though, Netanyahu was right you ARE easy to manipulate
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Jabberwocky
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If Hamas is a "natural reaction" to the action of Jews, so is Jewish aggression in Palestine a "natural reaction" to mass oppression by Muslims, Nazis and other cultures.
I think they got tired of being treated like shit by the whole world, so Netanyahu was voted into power because he comes off as a strong leader who won't take any bullshit and will defend their little country.
Palestinians have been using terrorism against Israel since before Hamas, which is what he's referring to.
and Americans are indeed easy to manipulate
, sometimes I wonder how much of this #IStandWithPalestine movement is Russian troll bots sewing chaos to distract the world from Ukraine. I don't think the answer is 0.Netanyahu is an asshole and a terrible leader, that's for sure, but this is pretty typical political strategy and rhetoric.
assclass
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genocide is bad, but you seem fine with Hamas advocating and trying to do it.I already have many times in this thread, or have you forgotten how to read? You definitely won't condemn the genocidal actions of Israel though, Netanyahu was right you ARE easy to manipulate
you are also unwilling to say hamas terorists raping women is bad.
I think genocide and rape are bad. You seem to be content with both when it happens to Jews.
AND THIS PREJUDICE IS TOLERATED.
assclass
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im not american, nor have I been manipulated by tiktoks bigotryIf Hamas is a "natural reaction" to the action of Jews, so is Jewish aggression in Palestine a "natural reaction" to mass oppression by Muslims, Nazis and other cultures.
I think they got tired of being treated like shit by the whole world, so Netanyahu was voted into power because he comes off as a strong leader who won't take any bullshit and will defend their little country.
Palestinians have been using terrorism against Israel since before Hamas, which is what he's referring to.
and Americans are indeed easy to manipulate
Netanyahu is an asshole and a terrible leader, that's for sure, but this is pretty typical political strategy and rhetoric.
I read BOOKS
Jabberwocky
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mal3volent
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I'm not convinced he necessarily meant "manipulate" when he said "easy to move" or whatever. A more honest interpretation I think would be "persuade" or "convince". Using the word manipulate is adding a lot of subtext that is not actually there in the video. Not sure how much of the meaning here was lost in translation. I'd be interested to hear from someone who knows the language.
Droppersneck
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Don’t forget they are massive advocates of open borders for the west, and multiculturalism for everyone but their little ethno state. Something worth noticing
That's because they want someone to take the Palestinians so Israel can take the land
Droppersneck
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Also see Englands golden age lol
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And where is this empire now eh?
Droppersneck
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Same place we are going imo
It's crazy the polarity with which people cling to one side (resembling the allegiance one has to a sports team). "Well they started it"..."They kill more babies"..."What about atrocity x?....yeah well what about atrocity y?".
Sure, that land probably shouldn't have been claimed by Zionists to begin with (choosing perhaps somewhere less contested in Eastern Europe, surrounded by less enemies), but they did. Hamas probably shouldn't have carried out that raid on October 7th, but they did, and have naturally found themselves in a "fuck around and find out" type situation.
This fight is 1500 years old, and the two sides deserve each other in a sense. There is no real right or wrong here, just a very human phenomenon playing out, the old game of violence and retribution.
Those that fervently pick one side over another have either an emotional connection with one side or an emotional rejection of the other side (for example, "I am jewish or christian", or "I dislike Jews, they are evil/control the media, etc.", or "I hate Arabs/islam" or "I'm a hardcore liberal so i always side with weaker/poorer party so on"). Based on that, if I were to pick a side emotionally, I'd probably lean toward support for Isreal since I am more biased against arabs/muslims than I am against jews. But I try to rise above such things and try to think objectively.
The truth is, the situation is too complicated to pick a side so simply, though one could say the origin of the problem lies squarely with Israel -- a state that was doomed from its inception and will continue to be a pimple in the region who's surrounding neighbors will always try to squeeze out of existence. But while they shouldn't be there, they are, so it's sort of silly when people are shocked that Isreal defends itself, protesting for them to stop their bombing campaign, etc.
Sure, that land probably shouldn't have been claimed by Zionists to begin with (choosing perhaps somewhere less contested in Eastern Europe, surrounded by less enemies), but they did. Hamas probably shouldn't have carried out that raid on October 7th, but they did, and have naturally found themselves in a "fuck around and find out" type situation.
This fight is 1500 years old, and the two sides deserve each other in a sense. There is no real right or wrong here, just a very human phenomenon playing out, the old game of violence and retribution.
Those that fervently pick one side over another have either an emotional connection with one side or an emotional rejection of the other side (for example, "I am jewish or christian", or "I dislike Jews, they are evil/control the media, etc.", or "I hate Arabs/islam" or "I'm a hardcore liberal so i always side with weaker/poorer party so on"). Based on that, if I were to pick a side emotionally, I'd probably lean toward support for Isreal since I am more biased against arabs/muslims than I am against jews. But I try to rise above such things and try to think objectively.
The truth is, the situation is too complicated to pick a side so simply, though one could say the origin of the problem lies squarely with Israel -- a state that was doomed from its inception and will continue to be a pimple in the region who's surrounding neighbors will always try to squeeze out of existence. But while they shouldn't be there, they are, so it's sort of silly when people are shocked that Isreal defends itself, protesting for them to stop their bombing campaign, etc.
One group of people is controlling the movement and diets of another group while continuously intimidating them on a daily basis backed up by a military force. You don't think it seems right to take the side of the oppressed? Or should we feel bad for Israel that the people that they're oppressing are fighting back? Its weird to me that people are defending Israel at all considering they're behavior over the last 60+ years
Droppersneck
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They are working on an out, Ukraine is currently being cleared out. Zionists are trying to resurrect khazaria, as tensions rise in the Middle East. But I agree with your over all sentiment.
OT: even Rand is getting in on the anti semitism
assclass
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I used to manage textbook sales at a university and organized book readings with well know laureates. Pretty sure I can read real books and not whatever colouring books you are into.
Andrew Tate's memoir doesn't count.
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A lot of people take your position, and it's fine, but the problem is that there is a right side here. I am not religious, or Jewish, and I have a lot of problems with the Israeli and US governments. But it is objectively good and necessary to have a thriving, (relatively) progressive, pluralistic democracy in the Middle East. One that respects individual rights, freedom of thought, rule of law, etc.
It is false equivalency to suggest since both sides have made mistakes that there isnt an overwhelmingly clear moral option.
assclass
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kinda like the day after Israel declared independence, a bunch of nations and the Palestinians started a war?
1948 Arab–Israeli War - Wikipedia
So the time line is:
Israel exists
Palestine and surrounding nations attack Israel, and the cycle violence with the State of Israel starts.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I was just trolling you man, it's just a joke bro.
I worked at a big book store for 3 years myself, but it doesn't mean shit. I was always showing up high every day and trying to flirt with the cute latina chicks that worked at the cafe inside.
Yep. I mean, the whole situation is morally complex.
The foundation of Israel is a country is complicated, then Israel is attacked like a dozen times by various Muslim countries, they get attacked from all sides, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Palestine... and they've successfully defended themselves each time.
It's wrong to zoom in and focus on powerful Israel oppressing poor Palestinians to the exclusion of everything else and the history. Yes, that is happening to some degree, but it would be ignorant to consider that the only thing that has happened.
The Muslims have been trying to eradicate the Jews for nearly 100 years, but when people suddenly believe the Jews are trying to eradicate the Muslims they tend not to acknowledge the former.
It sucks that if you try to weigh the situation objectively with contextual history people think you sympathize with oppression or genocide.
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