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The following essentially illustrates why there is fundamentally no solution to this issue:





The struggle over this land (of otherwise little value) will continue indefinitely due to what is depicted above. It's a theocratic fight based on these man-made fairy tales. And as evidenced by the mosque built ontop of the base of the ancient Jewish temple, this land has changed hands. If the Palestinians had the power to oust and eradicate the Israeli's they would, and perhaps with more brutality (I mean shit, just look at Syria, and that is Muslim against Muslim). In any event, the side-picking is kind of silly in a way and is just a projection of one's own political leanings, a sense of belonging to a group, or biases against one group (dislike of jews or dislike of arabs/muslims).
 
No, just the truth you are the one who thinks it's a slam dunk. Truth, is truth not your idea of what is the world should be like. It is sad, but life for the Israeli people should not be dictated by their enemies who want to kill them.
 
Does Lavrov the Librarian Aardvark have a decent point that the US could and should prove hamas accidentally bombed its own hospital b/c constant satellite surveillance is a thing there? Edit: Whoops you already talked about it 💩
 
mal3volent said:
Hamas atrocities were caused by Israel.
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that's really simplifying what they said to the point where the pertinent points have been completely obliterated.

hamas has agency. they are responsible for their actions.

israel also has agency (the government, and the settlers).

the things are interrelated, that isn't even debatable.

maybe you can agree on this:

if you bully a smaller kid enough, that kid will retaliate. will it be proportional? will the "revenge" be fair or justified?

kyle kulinski put it succinctly: it's "natural law", and it is to be expected that anger, resentment, hostility, hate, etc. build under the conditions the palestinians have been subjected to.

taking criminilogy or sociology classes is not the same as supporting criminals or awful social problems.

having the ability to see nuance is not the same as supporting the evil acts.


mal3volent said:
giving $100 million dollars to Hamas is a-ok.
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humanitarian aid through humanitarian organizations (how it was explained by the white house) is not giving it (money) straight to hamas.

can you demonstrate that biden is giving money to hamas? cause i'd be pissed, if so... but i am unconvinced by your sophistry.
 
The Palestinians have a kind and loving government, that must be some good shit your smoking.
 
Huh? All you leftists want to do is blame the Jews. Kinda like the Nazis. Excuse me, just like the Nazis
 
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Not a clue what you mean by a house divided( yes I know what that means), just not in reference to me, or someone else, if so who?
 
negrogesic said:
In any event, the side-picking is kind of silly in a way and is just a projection of one's own political leanings, a sense of belonging to a group, or biases against one group (dislike of jews or dislike of arabs/muslims
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I'm not sure it's that simple. I don't dislike Muslims but I do dislike and fear radical Islam. For the most part, I feel like most of my views are left wing but there seems to be increasingly fundamental points of difference.

OTOH, if you look at the last 2000 yrs of life for the Jews, every society they've been part of has, at times, reacted with hatred and violence towards them. Amazingly, in every circumstance they find themselves, they're the bad guys who need removal from society before it will be able to propser. I find it hard to see the leftists stance vis a vis the current conflict as anything else than an extension of the almost reflexive propensity we have to antisemitism. People are tarting it up as anger towards colonialism and brutality but it just seems so unwavering and dogmatic and utterly without mercy or compassion that it's hard to see it a moral stance and seems more like pure and simple bigotry. The Jews are the ever malleable enemy wherever they go.
 
swilow said:
If you recall, after Hamas was 'elected' in Gaza, there was a brief civil war. Hamas have subsequently crushed any political opposition, not limited to actually killing dissidents. They are a genuine fascist dictatorship, it's not as if the people in Gaza have much of a choice in this matter. Still, a significant proportion do support them which is, as ever in dictatorships, probably due to a mix of propaganda and coercion and good old antisemitism.
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Hamas was elected during an election that the US forced on Palestine. You can thank dubya for that one. Palestinians were telling him they weren't ready for an election because of the hamas issue but I guess this is another case of westerners know what's best
 
I use to be a muslim for a while, But the longer I was one the more radical and excuses most of them had. So i left Islam and realized all religion are fairytales. Alot of people acutally keep there deeply held views close to themselves among other muslims. They try to project a farce. There are some great folk in the mosques though that were fighting agaisnt so many of the radical safalists ideology and shiite radical's.

in the end the only good parts of the quran were stolen from the hebrew and christian bible

Then they added in all the sword verses to justify raping and beheading non convertors in war

Islam indocirates people to hate jewish people and always has.

Now the left wing woke crowd are shouting death to irsael. Doesn't take much of brain to pick a side.

Think what side would hilter be on right now?

Those who fly free paelstine flags and support hamas and call the baby attack fake are the extact people would would of been gassing everybody and following adolf hilter.

They are the very nazis they pretended to fight.

The jewish people are in a global battle agaisnt the second holocaust.

We are in a global battle vs the evil of putin radical islam, communists and nazis.

All religion is a crock of shit that should be sent to the history books. Its fueled endless wars.

Right now there is a very dangerous nazi anti jew idelogy sweeping the western woke crowd.

The left wing has gone 100% radcial and extreme left they are literal NAZIS now.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
I use to be a muslim for a while, But the longer I was one the more radical and excuses most of them had. So i left Islam and realized all religion are fairytales. Alot of people acutally keep there deeply held views close to themselves among other muslims. They try to project a farce. There are some great folk in the mosques though that were fighting agaisnt so many of the radical safalists ideology and shiite radical's.
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We need a TripSitter autobiography
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Hamas was elected during an election that the US forced on Palestine. You can thank dubya for that one. Palestinians were telling him they weren't ready for an election because of the hamas issue but I guess this is another case of westerners know what's best
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It's interesting how you so often divest Palestinians of agency. Everything they do is an uncontrollable response to forces around them. Its demeaning and disempowering and frankly kinda racist. It's the noble savage myth in modern form. Like all humans, Palestinians can do shitty things and make bad choices. The fact remains, their culture was able to generate a group that burns children alive. That's probably worth examining but no, it's all the white man, right?

Not everything revolves around people in America. People across the world do shitty things and make shitty decisions because they're human, not because they're mere victims of elite meddling.
 
Jnowhere said:
If the Israelis were into genocides there wouldn't be many left. You you obviously have no idea what genocide is. Your comment is absolutely retarded.
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what do you call it when a government that has genocidal speech as it discusses war crimes against palestinians

(such as the defense minister)

that bombs indiscriminately, kills kids, and allows settlers in the west bank (not a place where hamas is) to murder innocent palestinians?

genocide lite?

so because they haven't carried out a FULL genocide of every man woman and child in gaza and the west bank, that must mean they aren't even a tiny bit genocidal?

speaking of retarded...
 
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