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JahBeeuS said:
I'm willing to bet that the occupation lasted a touch more than 250% longer than the initial airstrikes
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of course it did. That's one of the complications of a ground invasion is you create more problems for yourself. Then comes the question of how to get out.

Not sure why people seem to think the booms and bangs will stop. They won't, they'll just be accompanied by more violence in the streets. More opportunities for martyrdom, more human shields, more shit in general.
 
From 2014

In the latest round of combat, Hamas information officials gave explicit instructions to call every casualty an "innocent civilian," regardless of the facts. On July 17, the Hamas Interior Ministry posted a video with the following instructions: "Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don't forget to always add 'innocent civilian' or 'innocent citizen' in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks in Gaza" (see the Middle East Media Research Institute's Special Dispatch No. 5799). And the official Hamas television channel in Gaza, al-Aqsa TV, broadcast this remarkable proclamation on August 10: "Even the jihad fighters in the battleground are actually Palestinian civilians fulfilling their religious and national duty. This is why we...say 'a civilian car,' 'a civilian target,' and so on, since we have no regular army and no real military targets, as the occupation is trying to claim in its propaganda" (as reported by Palestinian Media Watch).

Such linguistic manipulation recalls a venerable Anglo-American aphorism: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." Or more dryly, as the head of statistics at BBC News concluded on August 11, "The point is that it is hard to say with certainty at this stage how many of the dead in Gaza were civilians, and how many were fighters."
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-=SS=- said:
we all stand a better chance
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wtf logic is this?

it isn't about picking a side or which side do you enjoy better... it's about a well- armed and funded government defending itself WITHOUT murdering excess children, WITHOUT doing war crimes, WITHOUT engaging in ethnic cleansing.

i'm sure living in israel is much more enjoyable than gaza, but i don't think that helps your point... in fact, i think it helps mine.
 
mal3volent said:
of course it did. That's one of the complications of a ground invasion is you create more problems for yourself. Then comes the question of how to get out.

Not sure why people seem to think the booms and bangs will stop. They won't, they'll just be accompanied by more violence in the streets. More opportunities for martyrdom, more human shields, more shit in general.
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So I guess killing a ton of civilians is better to you?
 
mal3volent said:
of course it did. That's one of the complications of a ground invasion is you create more problems for yourself. Then comes the question of how to get out.

Not sure why people seem to think the booms and bangs will stop. They won't, they'll just be accompanied by more violence in the streets. More opportunities for martyrdom, more human shields, more shit in general.
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The issue is that they are underground. You can decimate every building in the strip and they will just scurry like ants to their underground bunkers. The only way to actually get to Hamas is by strapping up the boots and entering into guerilla warfare mode. It's not pretty and it's not enviable but if they actually care about what they say they care about it's what they'd do. What they actually care about is extinguishing an entire group of people, not just Hamas.
 
What ever happened to the saying war is hell. Take a look at the number of deaths caused by China,USSR, NAZI Germany. Imperial Japan, Cambodia Vietnam and many others during the 20th century, I 'd say the death toll from war is down this century by a lot, look up WW1 and the various genocides by the turks 23 years into the 20th century and then look at the rest of of it. Don't forget Rwanda and the 3 Congo wars(5 million died in the 3 Congo wars) seems like most people don't know or care. I do
 
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Violence is way down this century, let's pray and hope it stays down. You want to argue look at ww1 and Armenian genocides. We are violent( humans) hopefully there will no not be the kind of slaughters that happened in the 20 th century
 
mal3volent said:
Israel wants to "extinguish" the Palestinians? Really?
You have no evidence of that.
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I suppose it's anecdotal but I've had conversations with more than a few zionists, people I consider acquaintences if not friends at one time, and they've said it straight up. I'm sure there used to be videos out there of both sides calling for the other sides extinction but my guess is Google / Microsoft have scrubbed that from the internet.
 
nepalnt21 said:
the spin of "they can't get to hamas without some civilian casualties" would hold water if israel wasn't deliberately causing countless civilian deaths, and war crimes
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nepalnt21 said:
blocking their water, fuel, medicine
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Israel would be doing none of this if it wasn't for Hamas. The absolute cause of Israel's blockade and bombing campaign in Gaza IS Hamas.

You've stated that this blockade is a war crime, and causing "countless" civilian deaths but has that been proven? Have there been "countless deaths" and can you demonstrate this, or are you just angry at Israel over what you assume will happen?

nepalnt21 said:
bombing u.n. shelters, schools, hospitals (this latest hospital bombing aside)
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In a sentence, you just dismiss the hospital car park bombing as if it doesn't utterly derail nearly every argument you've made.

Hamas have launched something like 6000 rockets, which have hit civilian infrastructure in Israel and yet you just cannot bring yourself to state what is the appalling truth of this conflict- that without Hamas, this literally would not be happening. Your view is so asymmetric.
 
You cannot sit there and make up nonsense, with nothing to back it up other than some ridiculous assumptions about without proof. There are terrorist attacks against Iraeli all the time, yet the Palestinians are still there. The Israelis don't do what all their neighbors wish they could, genocide.
 
swilow said:
Israel would be doing none of this if it wasn't for Hamas. The absolute cause of Israel's blockade and bombing campaign in Gaza IS Hamas.

You've stated that this blockade is a war crime, and causing "countless" civilian deaths but has that been proven? Have there been "countless deaths" and can you demonstrate this, or are you just angry at Israel over what you assume will happen?


In a sentence, you just dismiss the hospital car park bombing as if it doesn't utterly derail nearly every argument you've made.

Hamas have launched something like 6000 rockets, which have hit civilian infrastructure in Israel and yet you just cannot bring yourself to state what is the appalling truth of this conflict- that without Hamas, this literally would not be happening. Your view is so asymmetric.
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What you can't seem to comprehend is that Hamas would not exist if Israel had not been ethnically cleaning Palestinians in the first place. Hamas is a reaction
 
mal3volent said:
Israel wants to "extinguish" the Palestinians? Really?
You have no evidence of that.
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i mean... it doesn't take a huge leap when their p.m. is sending out dehumanizing garbage like this:

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and their defense minister calls them "human animals"... this is genocidal speech in a war of ethnic cleansing.
 
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