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someguyontheinternet said:
It's the same with westerners like you unquestioningly gobbling up the lies fed to you by the IDF and ignoring their blatant war crimes. Sure Hamas is no good and I don't support them because they kill civilians and children, yet here you are openly supporting a different group who kills civilians and children
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I don't ignore their crimes. Personally I find it ridiculous that the IDF uses White Phosphorus - I saw it being used in live video feed the other day - and while technically not illegal (Israel is not signed up to the treaty prohibiting its use) it is indiscriminate and I question the validity of using it in broad daylight especially in an area like Gaza. Same for cluster munitions, which they've used in the past.

All that aside, don't skirt the issue at hand. Hamas has clearly just been caught with their pants down trying to push a propaganda narrative that is so absurd it beggars belief, and that so much of the western media just lapped it up without first verifying the veracity of the claims (by Hamas) is astonishing to say the least.
AlsoTapered said:
I haven't seen compelling evidence either way.
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The hospital campus is tiny. Check this very recent BBC Verify article 15 mins ago:
Gaza hospital: What video, pictures and other evidence tell us about Al Ahli hospital blast

500+ deaths should be self-evident, given Hamas gave the number almost immediately which means they were insinuating massive destruction to buildings (how else would you count that number so fast). The imagery (and video) do not show anything like what was implied, and it really shouldn't be that hard to demonstrate it actually happened as Hamas claimed.
 
It’s ok. Bidens turned up in Israel.
Mumbling and stuttering like a fuckin retard.
People looking at him wondering wtf he’s on about🤣🤣🤣
He’s literally useless. He should be in a home
 
Soso78 said:
It’s ok. Bidens turned up in Israel.
Mumbling and stuttering like a fuckin retard.
People looking at him wondering wtf he’s on about🤣🤣🤣
He’s literally useless. He should be in a home
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And if he agreed with all your political stances he'd be the greatest president ever, in your eyes. But because you have an opposing viewpoint he's a "fuckin retard" and useless.

People just want others to validate their feels. No one cares about objective fact or rationality.

Also ask yourself. If media organizations across the globe published unverified Hamas propaganda, and people like you ate it right up, what other false things do you currently believe are true ?
 
I wonder if anyone is gonna try to assassinate Biden while he's there... 🤔 Hamas surely would want to, and Western War Pig Military Industrial Complex dudes that want to draw the US into a new war. Would be one hell of a way for them to use a false flag attack to kill two birds with one stone.
 
mal3volent said:
Well it turns out that the innocent people in this particular incident died at the hands of Hamas.
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What's mental about this incident is that western media should know better than to push out an incendiary story from sources controlled by a known terrorist organisation, given the wider tensions in the region, and especially given the impulse to immediate anger in the Arab world (as evidence by the protests). Things like this could spark a real fire.

Which makes me wonder what's going on right now in our own countries. Are intelligence agencies rushing to background check reporters in the BBC and other media outlets? Are the media outlets going to fire all those involved - none have apologized thus far?

Clown world. Mental.
 
mal3volent said:
And if he agreed with all your political stances he'd be the greatest president ever, in your eyes. But because you have an opposing viewpoint he's a "fuckin retard" and useless.

People just want others to validate their feels. No one cares about objective fact or rationality.

Also ask yourself. If media organizations across the globe published unverified Hamas propaganda, and people like you ate it right up, what other false things do you currently believe are true ?
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I haven’t ate anything up. What makes u think I believe media organisations?
I don’t trust any government of any country and I certainly don’t believe what the media is putting out there on anything let alone wars.
I find it hilarious that American president csnt complete a basic sentence sometimes even when he’s reading it if a card🤣🤣🤣
I’m waiting for him to shit his pants on stage next.
If u can’t see he is absolutely fucked I feel bad for u.
And Canada president is getting humiliated by world leaders. They insult him by completely blanking him.
It is what is though, we got prime minister shunak a billionaire running the uk into the ground. Birmingham council the second biggest city in the uk has officially gone bankrupt.
ITS ALL FUCKED.
 
www.reuters.com

Putin cautions Israel against using tactics in Gaza like Nazi siege of Leningrad

Russian President Vladimir Putin cautioned Israel on Friday against laying siege to Gaza in the same way that Nazi Germany besieged Leningrad, saying a ground offensive there would lead to an "absolutely unacceptable" number of civilian casualties.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

THE vladimir putin:

"bibi, u r cruel"
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will bibi ever recover from this?

he is "the magician"

anybody else would shrink into a corner and die of humiliation.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
It's the same with westerners like you unquestioningly gobbling up the lies fed to you by the IDF and ignoring their blatant war crimes. Sure Hamas is no good and I don't support them because they kill civilians and children, yet here you are openly supporting a different group who kills civilians and children
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It's okay to just admit you were completely wrong in your gleeful assessment of the hospital massacre, you know?
 
we totally sure it wasn't idf?

they do, in fact, have a history of bombing the piss out of hospitals



(i mean, it wasn't idf but it is their m.o. so ultimately what does it matter?)
 
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Soso78 said:
Is it a fact that he was wrong? How do u know for sure? That’s a genuine question too
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It's pretty clear at this point. There are photos/video of the hospital car park, after the explosion, which show a very tiny crater in the road surface and a dozen burned out cars.. but none of the surrounding structures are damaged.

If 500+ actually died we would already have photos/video of severely damaged buildings, dead and mangled bodies everywhere, and most importantly lots of dead children being hoisted up to the cameras. We've seen nothing of that.

I could buy some people were killed if they were in the parking lot, but it wasn't a large high-explosive explosion.. all the cars except one are still in place, just burnt out. Hamas rockets have small warheads, but this one fell early so it still had lots of propellant (large fireball upon impact).
 
Soso78 said:
Is it a fact that he was wrong?
How do u know for sure?
That’s a genuine question too
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I'm about 90% confident. Read the Guardian article I posted earlier and see what you think.

Militants were known to be firing rockets from the area. Footage shows a stream of rockets, a rocket deviating, breaking up, and then 3-4s later, an explosion at the hospital. The US military agrees that it was a rocket. The IDF have posted intercepted Hamas communications admitting guilt (not sure about the provenance of these). Lastly, footage from the hospital shows minimal blast damage/crater, as is typical of a rocket explosion and not an Israeli missile.

Circumstantially, Hamas are known to fire rockets from heavily populated areas like hospitals and their rockets have been known to land in Gaza before. It also benefits Hamas way more for the world to believe the Jews are just monsters who kill civilians, as evidenced by several posters in this thread

The only reason to think it is the IDF is because Hamas have said so. You want to believe those guys, go ahead. Like I said, I think we can be about 90% sure it wasn't.
 
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