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Why are you making this about you?
You're inentionally misunderstanding me. You implied that I must have somehow agreed with the entirety of Max's message by sharing his video, and I was simply trying to correct that with my last comment. I wasn't making this "about me".
and I stated bluntly why that video has not convinced me of anything except that mans self evident bias
...and I told you why your reasoning was fallacious. Am I not allowed to do that? What makes you believe I have to just suck it and leave it at that? That's the issue: "oh how dare you question my opinion. How dare you don't simply accept my opinion."
Childish...so childish.

long before it became fashionable to simply label anything as fakery.
So effin what? You want truther veteran points now or what? A special VIP seat at the "I'm here doing this way longer than you are" section?

and not just blast everything that doesn't fit your particular narrative
You're talking to me since yesterday and already make assumptions as if you know me since a long enough time to be able to judge me on this. Where have I blasted EVERYTHING that doesn't fit my narrative? I actually admit that I don't know a lot of things, which is why I said "god knows what technology they have which we know nothing about". You on the other hand act as if you know already what's perfectly possible and what not.

AI can not fake shooting a dog twice at point blank
...and thus proving what I have just said above. How do you know it's not possible? Who would have thought photorealistic 3D animation would be possible in the 80s or 90s where things looked more like cubic polygons rather than actual people? Holographic projections? They would have laughed at you for being crazy, but we can see now how that is obviously possible.

outside with complex lighting, shadows, and movement.
It's made possible by a VFX technique that is called Ray Tracing. Even more impressive: by using keying you can REMOVE entire people and objects from live-action footage. I actually worked in the VFX industry as a lateral recruit and have done some of these things (admittedly though, not on the level of professionality as some senior compositor) so I actually know what I'm talking about here.
That's what compositors do EVERY DAY to earn their bread lol.

Even the really good AI content is still discernible as AI content if you know what you're looking for
Since you are such an expert on this matter, then I am sure you are generous enough to enlighten us on what we need to look out for in order to discern good AI content from the bad ones. Even though you failed on an epic level on the whole lightning part above, I still wanna give you the benefit of the doubt, so please explain. I'm all ears ;)

You are both willing to jump to immediate conclusions and make excuses for brutality that has clearly occurred, in order to suit your own narratives.
 
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not new for Germans unfortunately


my grandma was at least embarrassed to have been in the Hitler youth.
Interesting, I thought I was a "lefty" for sympathizing with the palestinians. Now I'm suddenly a Nazi and a hamas sympathizer (even though I literally never condoned the actions of the hamas). Lol you people can't even agree on what I am supposed to be.
 
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Just to give you an idea of what was already possible back in 2001 with VFX techniques:

He perfectly explains several VFX techniques and I felt like I was watching a masterclass on video compositing.
Now imagine what they can do now with holographic projections? Combine that with VOG-Tech (Voice Of God) and they can make you see and hear things that don't even exist. Not on screen or anything, no, but live in front of your eyes!
 
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Just a reminder folks- this is not the Dive. Let's avoid too much shitposting please.

Then immediately contradict yourself by saying there is a rise in support for Israel, in Palestine
I said nothing of the sort. I'm saying and providing a source that over 50% of Palestinians support Hamas. You're implying they're a fringe group which is nonsense. They are the governing body there. Come on, dude. Of course, many Palestinians would hate them but 53% of 2.3 million is a lot.

In which case Israel has still cut off food, water, electricity and fuel for how many innocent people. What does a bright spark like yourself think the knock on effect of that would be
Food, water, and electricity that Israel provide. Wtf should they provide anything to people who want to see them eradicated from "the river to the sea"? That you are criticising that and not rape and murder makes me think you're basically in agreement. That's kinda fucked up, or is it okay because it's only Jews?

Do we really think cutting the food and water to a population of 2.2 million doesn't affect innocent women and children, ofcourse it does
I know it does, and it's awful. But that is on Hamas for massacring innocent people. Why can you only blame the Israelies and not the religious maniacs who's actions caused this?

Oh I'm sorry, 75 years, and for all of those years they have been trying to take Palestine
You need to actually get the facts straight. When Britain left Mandatory Palestine, the land was divided by the UN between the Jews and Palestinians. The Jews accepted the partition, the Palestinians didn't and declared war immediately. That is literally historical fact. There could have been two states but one side didn't want it. That side also colluded with the Nazis because they hate the Jews for religious reasons. And still want them dead. How anyone with a degree of morality could support that is beyond me but you are clearly ignorant of the actual facts here.
 
Swilow is too indoctrinated to understand why the average age of the palestinian population is 18. He also fails to understand why Baruch Goldstein wasn't the only jew who mass murdered Palestinians. He just downplays it by saying "the actions of an extremist aren't at all relevant". Interesting how when a jew kills palestinians it's "extremism", but when it's the other way around, it's "typical palestinian terrorism". Cognitive dissonance much?
All he really does is mindlessly regurgitate Netanyahu's propagandistic talking points because the likes of him have no mind of their own anymore. They cannot reflect objectively on reality.
I actually have no clue who you are or how you can know my mind so deeply as I've never seen you post before, but given what I'm saying about terrorists, ofc Goldstein was a terrorist. Sorry if I offended the leftist language police 🤪
 
The Jews accepted the partition, the Palestinians didn't and declared war immediately. That is literally historical fact. There could have been two states but one side didn't want it.
this is actually disturbing to me, regardless of details. Just let the people in. Damn, why couldn't people just live side to side?
 
go review the rules "DON'T RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACKS"


I can call people who advocate for genocide evil morons.

I should not say "You are a an evil moron"


Before saying I don't understand how to communicate, make sure you know a thing or two.

just because you didn't directly insult hex doesn't mean it's okay. You quoted them and it was clear who your comment was directed at. Please stop provoking shit and trying to stir up shit.

Consider this a verbal warning for everyone. If you want a looser conversation take it to The Dive. This thread is for serious discussion so anyone who keeps shit slinging will get dealt with accordingly.
 
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I am interested about events from 1900-2000 in Israel/Palestine. It would offer much desired perspective to this soup. Dominance positions, strikes and general mindspace of different people over that time seem to be critical factors in this issue. Does anyone know any good literature or documentary about it?

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned yet but the movie “waltz with bashir” is pretty good
 
Palestina could have done shit better in the past, but their hate for jews has blinded them multiple times. But to consider this just pure aggression from Palestina side while the people there are in little open air jail is just humorous. You think Mossad didnt know about this? Get real...
 
Ever notice how these Israel bootlickers insert their little "howevers" when their crimes are called out? If that fails, they always resort to whataboutism.
Show your bias to everyone and make it clear where you stand - 'IsraHell'.

Nowhere have I defended Israel without equivocation and I did clearly state my suspicions about a possible deliberate intelligence failure (or more) on their part. I'm not blind to the possibilities and I keep an open mind, and I'm not blind to their own past crimes (white phosphorus, cluster bombs, etc), but I'm also not going to pretend what has just happened is somehow all a mirage of intelligence agency deception.

I shouldn't have to point out the obvious here, but WHY would Israel even need to fake footage of barbarism on Hamas part. Hamas will do all that for free, they openly express their desire for it. Do you really think they need to spend time and money faking footage when all they have to do is just open the door and let them in? Get real, come on.
Just to give you an idea of what was already possible back in 2001 with VFX techniques:

Now imagine what they can do now with holographic projections? Combine that with VOG-Tech (Voice Of God) and they can make you see and hear things that don't even exist. Not on screen or anything, no, but live in front of your eyes!
Like I said, I was aware of the 9/11 fakery discussion back in the mid-00's. I've already seen that video and many others. That was real-time compositing, which is extremely difficult to pull off and they still fucked it up as well (helicopter drift). But it is also not comparable to what you are insinuating with the videos we've seen in Israel of complex scenes; two buildings against a chromakey background with a composited aeroplane is about as 'easy' as it's going to get. Just saying 'AI' etc is not good enough to explain videos that appeared literally as it was happening, videos which show verifiable scenes and people.

Again, this all misses the simple of point of WHY they would need to fake it in the first place. Two jet-liners going at maximum operating speed at ground level flown by total novice pilots and hitting two targets accurately requires fakery, because it was central to the narrative (structural building failure) and couldn't be guaranteed to happen for real. You don't need to fake videos of people who are openly willing to butcher others for free. Do you even have an reasonable hypothesis of why, beyond just preventing your own narrative from collapsing? I can entertain the 9/11 hypothesis because it is plausible in that context, but you're going to struggle to convince me they needed to fake this Hamas operation video footage.
 
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