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You know why HAMAS did it? Because Israel bombed the hospital. Then cry poor me when they get fire returned.

You are giving Israel pass for reasoning you are judging HAMAS for.

And anyway, palestinians have right to the land too. Essentially soldiers of Israel are killing lots of just regular innocent people too like in their own "nation" to protect those they perceive more worthy.
Nope, Israel shot back AFTER HAMAS. Get your facts straight. So Israel bad for defending themselves but HAMAS good for killing their own people and innocent Israelis? How many jewish women and kids killed by the Isreal army? NONE. How many Palestinian kids and women killed by HAMAS? MANY
 
You know why HAMAS did it? Because Israel bombed the hospital. Then cry poor me when they get fire returned.

You are giving Israel pass for reasoning you are judging HAMAS for.

And anyway, palestinians have right to the land too. Essentially soldiers of Israel are killing lots of just regular innocent people too like in their own "nation" to protect those they perceive more worthy.
The Palastinians fire rockets indescriminately against civilian targets

The IDF then retaliates striking former civilian targets used as militant strong points.

cycle of violence repeats...

So if my neighbour starts taking pot shots at my house and kills my kid, and I go over and shoot him in the head, you'd side with my neighbour?
 
I actually just realized that because technically no adult Israeli citizen is civilian and Israeli does not allow emigrating from Gaza, even through sea...

Attacking Israel is suddenly not that horrible idea. I still don't believe in HAMAS, tho'.
 
"And anyway, palestinians have right to the land"

seems you do

and you picked side terrorist.
So do people of Israeli. Even if they came after palestinian nation. I never denied that.

Do you notice how you make baseless assumptions every chance you get?
 
So do people of Israeli. Even if they came after palestinian nation. I never denied that.

Do you notice how you make baseless assumptions every chance you get?

I'm not sure that his assumptions are quite baseless, but the lefty crowd here fails to distinguish that when the Israeli military screws up and bombs a hospital, Israeli freak out and feel terrible that this could even happen.
...but when the Palestinians bomb an Israeli hospital, they celebrate it and make propaganda for youtube. Your argument makes total sense if you can account for the facts that Palestine lost two wars, refuse to leave and deliberately bomb civilians at an alarming rate.

It's not like you don't have a point. It's not like your arguments are illogical. But unless you can rationalise the above into a format that your debate opponents here will accept we will continue to view Israel as the victim and Hamas as a pack of terrorists.

May I take it then that you're a fan of evacuating Palestinian civilians from Gaza?
 
I am fan of evacuating Palestinians from Gaza-by their own terms.

I am not really convinced that palestinians losing two wars and refusing to leave warrants genocide. Am I making too stretched assumptions now of what you are implying?
 
I am interested about events from 1900-2000 in Israel/Palestine. It would offer much desired perspective to this soup. Dominance positions, strikes and general mindspace of different people over that time seem to be critical factors in this issue. Does anyone know any good literature or documentary about it?
 
I actually just realized that because technically no adult Israeli citizen is civilian and Israeli does not allow emigrating from Gaza, even through sea...
just because they have conscription doesn't mean every adult is a (active duty) soldier

For example, the elderly woman with dementia the terrorists kidnapped, isn't a valid military target in an armed struggle.

And of course, all soldiers taken hostage are being treated in accordance with the rules of war! no torture, rape or murders are happening right!

I guess the video of the women dragged out of car with her pants stained red wasn't raped at all!
 
I am interested about events from 1900-2000 in Israel/Palestine. It would offer much desired perspective to this soup. Dominance positions, strikes and general mindspace of different people over that time seem to be critical factors in this issue. Does anyone know any good literature or documentary about it?

Lawrence in Arabia: War, Deceit, Imperial Folly, and the Making of the Modern Middle East by scott anderson.​

 
just because they have conscription doesn't mean every adult is a (active duty) soldier

For example, the elderly woman with dementia the terrorists kidnapped, isn't a valid military target in an armed struggle.

And of course, all soldiers taken hostage are being treated in accordance with the rules of war! no torture, rape or murders are happening right!

I guess the video of the women dragged out of car with her pants stained red wasn't raped at all!
For your sarcastic tone I must assume you are still assuming I am on side of HAMAS while I have repeatedly stated that I am not. Your contribution seems to be largely motivated by imaginary enemy figure.
 
now we go to what? the third world war?
is kinda funny that all this shit appears in the prophecies of several prophets...
let's see if we can survive, Europe don't seem the best place to stay.
 
That's the lefties
Just goes to show how ignorant you are. I would be considered by many as a right wing type (even though my political position is much more complicated)...not the stupid american definition of what constitutes right-wing but ACTUALLY right wing. Read this post of mine and tell me again how I'm a leftie:

It doesn't matter to her that the Palestinians lost two wars.
As if that means anything.

It doesn't matter to her that the Palestinians refuse to assimilate.
Palestinians have been living there since at least 20 fucking generations until the zionists came along and laid claim on that land because of some religious book. If anyone has to assimilate, it's the jews and not the palestinians you dimwitted fool.

It doesn't matter to her that the Palestinians will be behind 96% of the attacks in the region.
Taken from one of the totally honest statistics that the israeli ministry of truth has totally not manipulated in favour of the israeli government. TOTALLY believable of course lol...

It doesn't matter to her that the Palestinian lands are undeveloped especially because Palestinians are warlike and primitive.
Spoken like a true Hasbara Troll. I've already explained why this propagandistic talking point has been long debunked. Just take a look at the pictures from Palestine before there even was an israeli government. Those photos debunk EVERYTHING you have just said about them. These people already had fully functioning urban infrastructure and their country was green and lush. This whole nonsense about palestinians not being able to do this and that is complete bullshit.

It doesn't matter to her that the Palestinians aren't welcome in any other land
Says who exactly? Satanyahu with his ridiculous powerpoint presentations at the UN that nobody takes serious?

No amount of reasoning will matter, because the lefty types generally will support the Palestinians and so therefore will she.
There is more in this world than left and right, which your dualistic mind of a simpleton obviously cannot fathom.

P.S.: already forgot how you deleted your post in the opioid thread after you embarassed your ass in front of everyone with your ignorant post about why I take opioids? Yeah, debunked then, debunked now. You sir, perfectly fit the title of "confidently ignorant".
 
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