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Israel is under attack

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somnilicious said:
It has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with the formation of Israel as a state and it's strategic importance to the west. The suez canal is vital and you as a Brit should be particularly concerned because if the Germans had successfully chocked off the Suez Canal during WW2 than the UK would have been unable to continue fighting.
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Why is Israel being a state a problem in this day and age?
 
* laughs in Balfour *

Call me cynical but I was beginning to wonder what the next current thing would be, given the Ukraine situation has lost its pizzazz. Somehow Mossad was able to miss this evidently well coordinated plot, from Gaza, Lebanon, and maybe more to come?
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Why is Israel being a state a problem?
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The same reason that getting any two disparate groups with competing interests together usually becomes a problem but mostly it is an attack against the influence that the West has in the region which is supported by our enemies.
 
@F.U.B.A.R.

Israel has always been a strategic partner to the West while Palestine and particularly Hamas has been aligned with Iran which has cozied up to China, Russia and their coalition.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
Holy sites in Jerusalem and in the area - they're never gonna get along because of the overlap of these sites

cmon
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Thank you. 'Holy sites'.

So it IS down to religion in the end.

(Knew it)


What is it about otherwise fairly rational human beings that makes them turn into absolute fuckwits when someone challenges their beliefs?

Answer: Ignorance.

It's easy to disguise this as 'politics', but politics is borne of religion. The old "my sky fairy is better than your sky fairy" argument quickly distills down to "I'm better than you because I believe an opposing load of shite and you're a cunt anyway", which divides people and causes conflict.


Not that people need an excuse... :\
 
I don’t really see it as having a foundation in religion tbh…I mean that may have taken center stage more recently but people seem to forget that the original Palestinian resistance groups like PLO, PFLP etc were essentially secular in orientation & their stated goal was to turn Israel into a secular democratic state (democracies in that part of the world don’t exactly have a great track record but that was their STATED goal anyway)

I view it more as a fundamentally nationalist struggle on both sides, with the religious element as mostly cultural window dressing, or at least that’s how it was during the Cold War period anyway
 
Looks like they're maybe going to bomb the shit out of Gaza in a few hours. They cut the electricity to Gaza less than an hour ago

"Israeli diplomat in France says to Israeli-owned French TV news channel BFMTV that an Israeli offensive on Gaza is set to happen in the next few hours : Laurence Haim report"

Here's another building that got blown up

 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Thank you. 'Holy sites'.

So it IS down to religion in the end.

(Knew it)


What is it about otherwise fairly rational human beings that makes them turn into absolute fuckwits when someone challenges their beliefs?

Answer: Ignorance.

It's easy to disguise this as 'politics', but politics is borne of religion. The old "my sky fairy is better than your sky fairy" argument quickly distills down to "I'm better than you because I believe an opposing load of shite and you're a cunt anyway", which divides people and causes conflict.


Not that people need an excuse... :\
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Yea religious territory
 
somnilicious said:
I'm not arguing with you.
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It's fine. You're doing your best. She truly cannot see it. That's the lefties...supporting every underdog every single time. If Darth Vader starts to lose a tennis match, they will be on Darth Vader's side.

It doesn't matter to her that the Palestinians lost two wars. It doesn't matter to her that the Palestinians refuse to assimilate. It doesn't matter to her that the Palestinians will be behind 96% of the attacks in the region. It doesn't matter to her that the Palestinian lands are undeveloped especially because Palestinians are warlike and primitive. It doesn't matter to her that the Palestinians aren't welcome in any other land....precisely because they're assholes.

No amount of reasoning will matter, because the lefty types generally will support the Palestinians and so therefore will she.
 
somnilicious said:
It has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with the formation of Israel as a state and it's strategic importance to the west. The suez canal is vital and you as a Brit should be particularly concerned because if the Germans had successfully choked off the Suez Canal during WW2 than the UK would have been unable to continue fighting.
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Well in all fairness it does have something to do with religion since that particular site (modern day Isreal) was chosen on the basis of a religious and historical connection to that area. The thing is, the fair skinned European Jews (more specifically the Ashkenazi) that spearheaded much of this probably have limited blood connection to the original Jews of ancient Isreal (who more resembled Palestinians than the Jews of Western Europe). Personally though, I root for neither side and just view the whole thing from a detached perspective, like watching history unfold.

On a side note, sort of boggles the mind that Isreal never tore down all those Islamic buildings (I believe called known collectively as Al-aqssa, which includes the "dome of the rock") that sit atop of one of their holiest sites (the temple mount). Then again I suppose Isreal would have been jointly invaded by all Muslim nations if they had done that though. Religion truly is a scourge of mankind.
 
-=SS=- said:
* laughs in Balfour *

Call me cynical but I was beginning to wonder what the next current thing would be, given the Ukraine situation has lost its pizzazz. Somehow Mossad was able to miss this evidently well coordinated plot, from Gaza, Lebanon, and maybe more to come?
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Yup. First thing I thought when I saw this.

Israeli intelligence overlooked an invasion. Yeah okay.

Because Hamas couldn't have done this alone, it will likely implicate Saudi and Iran. Then we have a pre-text for a whole new war that will bankrupt the USA.

Looks like we're right on schedule.
 
negrogesic said:
On a side note, sort of boggles the mind that Isreal never tore down all those Islamic buildings (I believe called known collectively as Al-aqssa, which includes the "dome of the rock") that sit atop of one of their holiest sites (the temple mount). Then again I suppose Isreal would have been jointly invaded by all Muslim nations if they had done that though.
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What's odd is that what I discussed in this comment I made earlier (above) was sort of a random musing, but funny enough, I was just reading an article about the current conflict just now, and this conflict actually does revolve around the mosque I was referring to. From a news article, "According to Hamas itself, the attack was provoked by recent events surrounding the Temple Mount, a site in Jerusalem holy to Jews and Muslims alike. In the past week, Israeli settlers have been entering the al-Aqsa Mosque atop the mount and praying, which Hamas termed “desecration” in a statement on their offensive (which they’ve named Operation Al-Aqsa Storm)."

Even weirder, is that yesterday I was randomly reading about that specific mosque on Wikipedia (not knowing there had been any beef around it recently) and thought..."I can't believe the Israeli's didn't demolish this mosque". And I guess what happened today shows why you can't fuck with that mosque 🤯
 
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