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deficiT said:
Associated Press journalists have attested to seeing large numbers of bodies at airstrikes, morgues, funerals, and makeshift graves. Israel just killed a hundred more people as they approached an aid truck yesterday or today.
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can you link to some articles that discuss first hand accounts of large numbers of civilian bodies ?
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:

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Times of Israel and Pentagon chief.

Very sad, dude
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extremely said that you didn't read the article, apparently

spokesperson later walks back statement​

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A few hours later, Sabrina Singh, a Pentagon spokesperson, said that Austin was citing an estimate from Gaza’s Hamas-run health ministry and was referring to total Palestinians killed, not just women and children.​

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“We cannot independently verify these Gaza casualty figures,” Singh said in a statement.​

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The international community is pissed off because Israel gives zero fucks about their opinion and are very clear about that.

They know exactly how bad Hamas is and they know exactly how complicit the population of Palestine, specifically Gaza has been.

These European nations that are saying Israel is committing genocide on Palestinians conveniently ignore the fact that they prosecuted a civil war exactly the same way Israel is prosecuting the war against Hamas In the Balkans.

It's interesting when terrorists are next door, you don't have any issue with How a war is fought, but when terrorists are a thousand kilometers away all of a sudden you have standards.

I for one am 100% behind Israel because this should be an object lesson to foreign entities and or sovereign states that when you fuck around and support terrorist organizations you're going to find out!

After 9/11, the United States should have prosecuted a war against extremists in Saudi Arabia. Arabia the same way they prosecuted the war in Iraq. Unfortunately at the time we really really needed that Saudi oil so it didn't happen.

Do I feel sadness regarding the deaths of admittedly innocent civilians in Gaza? Yes of course!

And then I asked myself if I was a Palestinian civilian that was complicit in supporting Hamas and Hamas attacks against Israel, am I not culpable for my own death and that of my children?

And the answer is a resounding yes!

DON'T SUPPORT TERRORISM OR YOU'RE GOING TO END UP LIKE THE PALESTINIANS
 
nepalnt21 said:
EXACTLY! ;)


it doesn't have to to break international law.


and yet i've cited sections of the conventions and nobody has tried to give any substantive rebuttals when i've done so... now why is that?

ppl simply regurgitate that TIRED baloney about population from some arbitrary date decades ago. ffs, why would that matter? they make- believe it matters cause they've not cared to read the concise geneva genocide coinvention statutes.

and what makes you more of an expert on international law than literal experts in international laws, including icj judges that ruled it's plausible that israel is breaking the genocide convention?

have you read the statutes of the geneva genocide convention yet?



hahaha wait, whaaaaat?!?!

speaking of not vetting your sources, bro... you've lost all credibility with that claim... unless you have the magical nonexistent evidence to back it up?

using bombs that are too big for the specific targets of one of the most advanced militaries with some of the most advanced tech/ intel, using them in urban areas of extreme population density constitutes a war crime because they ARE OBLIGATED to make an attempt to avoid civilian casualties. instead, they have been INDISCRIMINATELY killing civilians while using genocidal rhetoric (amalek, no innocent civilians type rhetoric, full siege of gaza rhetoric) and cutting off their food and water, blocking humanitarian aid... etc...
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You laughed whrn I noted Israel's release of dossiers showing conclusively that 40 odd UNRWA stsffers were HAMAS terrorists. You laughed and accused me of not vetting my sourced. I was remoss in saying that there 41 terrorists employed by the UNRWA. There are roughly 1,300 with full dossiers on 440 of them.

There are manifold sources. For starters, January 29th, 2924 om CBS News: "Israeli Intelligence Document Detail Alleged UNRWA Staff Links To Hamas, Including 12 Accused in October 7 Attsck." Hope it helps you.
 
mal3volent said:
So the numbers are from Hamas, and the dead terrorists are included. Got it.
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I read the early reports and there was no retraction yet.

He said those numbers cause they aren't ridiculous. And by now even the most ghoulish of outlets have taken the Gaza health ministry numbers to be the most accurate ones available, they have been for years.

At least I'm not speculating over fake numbers because you haven't seen any mass graves. [removed ad hominem]

You won't believe any number man, only the number of Hamas fighters the IDF claims it has killed.
 
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deficiT said:
"haha yeah war sucks" - I say as I rationalize the murder of children by my team so I can tell you why the other team deserves it.

Don't act like you give a shit about Palestinian victims of this war. Your sarcasm, disrespect, and gleeful defense of murder is all the proof we need as to how unbiased your claims are.
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You mentioned Collateral Damage, not being able to get your mind around it. I simply gave you a thorough explanation.
Given your post here, it is clear you did not read all of it. If you had, your concern should hsve disapeared.

I do not have to prove anything to you. I simply offer you factual explanatioms. What you do after that is of course your perogative. Ideally you would do further research to vet my claims.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
I read the early reports and there was no retraction yet.

He said those numbers cause they aren't ridiculous. And by now even the most ghoulish of outlets have taken the Gaza health ministry numbers to be the most accurate ones available, they have been for years.

At least I'm not a ghoul speculating over fake numbers because you haven't seen any mass graves.

You won't believe any number man, only the number of Hamas fighters the IDF claims it has killed.
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No. All reputable outlets first state the numbers are from "The HAMAS run Ministry of Health." You might take what a racist terrorist organisation says at face value but most rational & mature adults do not.

That said, as I have stated in an earlier post here. Gaza's population is 2.4 million. 30,000 dead in 5 months of warfare in Gsza speaks rsther highly of the IDF.
 
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30,000 Palestinians have died in Gaza since war began, Hamas-run health ministry says

The figure comes as health officials in the territory said at least 70 people had been killed and more than 280 had been wounded in a strike on a crowd waiting for aid in Gaza City.
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The Hamas-run health ministry says more than 30,000 Palestinians have died in Gaza since the war began.

The Gaza health ministry does not differentiate between civilians and combatants in its count but says women and children make up around two-thirds of those killed.

It also says the actual figure is higher because there are bodies buried under the rubble and in areas that medics cannot reach.

Israeli military officials have admitted the figure for the amount of deaths is probably right, while the US State Department has also said the number could be even higher because many bodies are likely to be under rubble and unaccounte
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Must be all Hamas supporters saying these things. Has anyone seen all the wreckage and rubble?


And there have been studies on how accurate the reporting has been throughout the years, since many have been killed in Gaza before and all was well until now suddenly

Ghouls, unbelievable
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
I read the early reports and there was no retraction yet.

He said those numbers cause they aren't ridiculous. And by now even the most ghoulish of outlets have taken the Gaza health ministry numbers to be the most accurate ones available, they have been for years.

At least I'm not a ghoul speculating over fake numbers because you haven't seen any mass graves.

You won't believe any number man, only the number of Hamas fighters the IDF claims it has killed.
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Incorrect. I will believe whatever number that can be openly and independently verified by the United States with the caveat that they release details of the methodology they used.

You can insult me all you want. Thats what people do when their reasoning is weak.

Example: Gaza Health Officials numbers have historically checked out --> they will also check out now. When you consider the much larger scale of this conflict. That it necessitated a ground invasion. That it has lasted for months. That Hamas' only weapon against Israel is propaganda. You should start to understand how the dynamic of this situation is much different than brief conflicts in the past.

I have not said the numbers are inaccurate. I simply want a verifiable accounting by a trustworthy party. And I find it odd that social media is littered with tragic videos of singular dead children, but when it comes to these mass graves, 40,000 lying dead in one of the densest areas on earth --- nothing. Nowhere to be found.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
I read the early reports and there was no retraction yet.

He said those numbers cause they aren't ridiculous. And by now even the most ghoulish of outlets have taken the Gaza health ministry numbers to be the most accurate ones available, they have been for years.

At least I'm not a ghoul speculating over fake numbers because you haven't seen any mass graves.

You won't believe any number man, only the number of Hamas fighters the IDF claims it has killed.
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Apparently 40 or 50,000 dead civilians isn't enough for the people of Palestine to rise up and kill Hamas, Islamic Jihad, fatah, and Hezbollah.

That's their stupid fault and the death of civilians and their children is upon the heads of the Palestinian people, not the Israelis.
 
snmfmy said:
Apparently 40 or 50,000 dead civilians isn't enough for the people of Palestine to rise up and kill Hamas, Islamic Jihad, fatah, and Hezbollah.

That's their stupid fault and the death of civilians and their children is upon the heads of the Palestinian people, not the Israelis.
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That much is undeniably true. Hamas could have released the hostages months ago and spared countless lives. But they don't care because their religion states anyone who dies in holy war is guaranteed a place in paradise.

It is nauseating.
 
mal3volent said:
Incorrect. I will believe whatever number that can be openly and independently verified by the United States with the caveat that they release details of the methodology they used.

You can insult me all you want. Thats what people do when their reasoning is weak.

Example: Gaza Health Officials numbers have historically checked out --> they will also check out now. When you consider the much larger scale of this conflict. That it necessitated a ground invasion. That it has lasted for months. That Hamas' only weapon against Israel is propaganda. You should start to understand how the dynamic of this situation is much different than brief conflicts in the past.

I have not said the numbers are inaccurate. I simply want a verifiable accounting by a trustworthy party. And I find it odd that social media is littered with tragic videos of singular dead children, but when it comes to these mass graves, 40,000 lying dead in one of the densest areas on earth --- nothing. Nowhere to be found.
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Based on the tempo of the airstrikes, 300 to 400 people a day is not unreasonable whatsoever.

That would give somewhere between 36,000 and 48,000 deaths suffered by civilians.

That's about 2% of the population but nothing near genocide.

This Just goes to show you that at least one of the following things is true.

Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinian people.

The Palestinian people will endure a ridiculous amount of casualties because they support Hamas.
 
snmfmy said:
Based on the tempo of the airstrikes, 300 to 400 people a day is not unreasonable whatsoever.

That would give somewhere between 36,000 and 48,000 deaths suffered by civilians.

That's about 2% of the population but nothing near genocide.

This Just goes to show you that at least one of the following things is true.

Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinian people.

The Palestinian people will endure a ridiculous amount of casualties because they support Hamas.
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I'm just saying with the evacuations that took place prior. And how omnipresent images coming out of Gaza have been. I would have expected to see some kind of photographic evidence. You don't kill 400 civilians a day in an area the size of Las Vegas without images getting posted to X.

I've seen the go pro footage from the terrorists on Oct 7. I've seen the dead Palestinian babies (and the dolls) surrounded by hordes of cameras. 40,000 dead... where are the devastating photos of mass death?
 
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