Isn't it funny how people get fucked up and can't recognise it

[focus]

I was just wondering if other people had any similar experiences to me.
I have known a few people since they had been straight-relatively- and out of the rave scene. They didn't used to make fun of "drug fucked" people, however as soon as they started going to raves they saw a couple of really screwed people and made it quite clear what they thought of them. ooh i'll never be like that!
Yet, this scene drew them in and they started going more often, and trying new drugs. It wasn't a slow process only in the last few months have the changes become really noticable, as their whole lifestyle has adapted to drugs and going out. Even so they couldn't see themselves approaching the 'fucked up' point, and still look down on those who are over this barrier.
I saw them out recently and they were completely fucked yet still in denial of it. They still can't recognise how far they have slipped from 'recreational' use, and poke fun at other drug fucked individuals.
The changes include the misguided notion that: the more drugs you take obviously reflects how cool you are, hence i am sooo cool! But, they cannot even realise that they are on the verge of being completely wrecked; as they have no outside influences apart from this scene to give them some dose of reality. Having a whole new group of friends who are completely whacked, and not spending any time with older more straight normal people...The list goes on.
Relatively within this scene they are not the most rooted people around, so they still believe they are "above it all". But the way they are going they will be soon.I can only hope that they will pull their fingers out and get a dose of reality before it is too late.
If you read this and know me take a good look in the mirror(at yourself it could be you). I am not the only one who is worried.
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[friskk]

Right on Focus!
It takes alot for a person to realise that they are indeed over the edge or damn close to it.
I know someone in particular who when they first started, lay strict guidelines and rules and use to pay out on people who went over them.
First of all, it was no more than 1 pill a
week and no other substance. Then after a while no more than 1 pill a night. And so on.. and so on. Soon they were taking more drugs than a bad rock band!
We all warned the person he was going too far...
'I know.. I know.. I can handle it. I know what i'm doing'....
kept coming from their mouth.
One sunny afternoon, a distraught stranger calls me up. Screaming at me to get to x and pick this person up...
Fuckin scary.. when you see ya friend, a close friend - a best friend, frothing from the mouth, shaking uncontrolably and moaning.
Even scarier still - Driving at 150 km an hour through side streets tryin to get this person to hospital. (Go subaru AWD power!)
The person is entered into hospital at 4pm released at midnight - calling me up at 2 fuckin am for more fuckin drugs!
Denies there is any problem... until it happens again 2 weeks later.
All in all, whatever he did, we all stuck by him. We weren't happy and we let him know. I think whatever you say or do, it's upto the person themselves to realise 'hey, i've got a problem and then go seek help'.
It's up to us as their friends to keep an eye on them and make sure we can help them when they finally realise their problem.
Thank God.. he realised his problem before someone really got hurt.
*waves*

 

[Mirage]

Yeah, lately I've been getting a bit out of hand. I've been experimenting more and doing alot of stuff I said I either wouldn't do or thought I'd do differently. I didn't see this as getting out of hand persay but I saw where it could lead and I'm taking measures to stop it going where it shouldn't.
*get's back from doing something totally random*
But I'm cleaning up my act and stopping myself (as best I can) from fucking myself up.

Soo umm, yeah. moderation ppl (duh

) and everyone look out for each other!

 

[randomblondeboy]

If you read this and know me take a good look in the mirror. I am not the only one who is worried.

bah...even if you don't know him, go look in thie mirror anyway. something in this fer everyone; even bluelighters aren't invincible.
ps. you should get to know him as well, hes really quite a nice boy

love ya work bro.
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[Snrub]

i saw a guy in the toilets of a club recently who looked on the verge of retardation. like really smacked out. the first thing i said to him (after the mandatory 'whoah dude') was 'take a good hard look at yourself son.' it was great, i felt all superior and paternal. all he could reply was 'i cant see shit, its all fuzzy. anyway we had a good ole scattered chat and it was all good (actually it was like talking to a zombie but *hey*). aparently white CU's are the bomb diddy.
i like stories

 

[focus]

RBB --> it's not about me you tit
btw i have done the mad car drive, try 160 down stkilda rd from 7 to the Alfred at 3am.

 

[Pleonastic]

Good thread!

 

[muzby]

mm true.
it's hard to say when enjoyment stops and craving begins.
read this . it's kinda interesting.
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[apollo*]

there are two types of people when it comes to reminding each other of what is/isn't too much...
educated and non educated... both are a matter of opinion...
educated opinions (such as those coming from bluelighters), i welcome as i know that the advice i'm getting regarding my usage is informed, and probably in my best interest. it'll always get considered if it comes from an educated mouth.
not only do i ignore non educated "advice", i also get rather angry with those who take it so far they appear to think they are some sort of messiah, doing you a favour by ranting mainstream misinformation. in general, the government wants the public to think that drugs make your head fall off, right? (figure of speech)... there are some people whom independently find out that this isn't true, and make thousands upon thousands of informed decisions (refer to "educated opinions")... but as for the rest of them... for example the ones who believe what they see on tv, or read in those anti-drug campaign flyers we can get our hands on at school is true... *sigh*
"what's mdma? ecstacy drains your spinal fluid."
"some people are allergic to it, and you wont know till you take it, in which case if you are allergic, you'll die like anna woods did."
"don't take that shit! it fucks you up! you'll die young! *lighting cigarette* nah! cigarettes are legal man, they aren't that bad!"
"first it was weed, then speed, now ecstacy... next it's heroin! you're gonna be a junkie! and live on the streets like all junkies do!"
the only justification most ramblers have for their in depth and detailed knowledge is that "they've seen people get fucked up before man" or "the ads don't lie"...
so a gracious thank you to people whom are capable of effectively and justifiably warning others when they actually are fucked up, a slap on the face with a cold fish for people whom are fucked up but don't and need to realise it... and a solid kick in the balls for people whom rant with the average commercial misinformation...
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[Airwalk]

Hey focus stop talking about me in that way hehe. Anywayz I was at GC and I guess I missed seeing the person your talking about (Unless of course it is me, shit hope not). Anyway yeah agree with what you say thats why I don't take stuff everytime I go out now. Also I know at least one or two others that are heading in that direction and its really sad

 

[Mirage]

sorry, put this in the wrong thead LOL
Man I feel like a dickhead, hehe
I mean to put all that bs into the media related thread.
sorry!
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[Airwalk]

Hey for those that actually know who focus is talking about, maybe it might be best to have a talk with them instead criticising
them. It sounds like the person in question may need someone to sit down and tell it to them straight (Excuse the pun), I dunno I'd rather help then criticise. Anyway I probably know the person, so to you if you wanna have a chat just drop me an e-mail and we can arrange something (I've walked the nasty path before).

 

[randomblondeboy]

apollo: interesting. but errrmm...yah 'educated' i think can be used fairly usely. especially by bluelighters...a fucking lot who think they are invincible. i read a fuckin lot before i started taking any drug. i tohught i knew a fair bit. i prolly would have thought of myself as educated. but go and find someone who actually has an in depth education about drug related chemistry and biology, and you'll realise you know fuck all. in fact half of the 'safety lines' that get used by 'educated' people are at least half full of shit... (don't believe me, errrmm...go find out whether htp really works) so as far as i'm concerned...if one of these 'non-educated' people tells me to take it easy, i'll listen to them. maybe not as much as someone whom maybe 'educated', but i don't think that enters the equation. if someone who you know very well and respect tells you to take it easy. dont write off what they say because they are 'uneducated', cos half the time your just proving them right.
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[Mirage]

Yes there are alot of contradictions floating around on Bluelight and if that's not bad enough I have people I trust (bluelighters coincidentally) telling me different things again! Why can't anything be simple#$^@?!
As for the people who think they're invincible, it's sad that they won't listen to anyone (not just BL'ers but their friends aswell) and if they are listening wy aren't they acting?! I've seen how bad things can get (kinda with myself but more so with other people)..well more how they start out and get progressively worse. I can't stand seeing it!
I don't understand it either

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[ful_sik_trippa]

I think that if a person wants to get fucked up and understands the consequences then that is a personal choice.
I consider myself to be as educated as any other bluelighter out there (i read up on the subject for 6 months before even trying anything), as well as absorbing as much as i can from people here. I believe i take a harm minimisation approach, and generally get the best out of the experience as i can.
That said, there have been times when I have been fucked up (even with knowledge of the damage that can be done).
I knew the risks and made a decision. I always try to inform un-educated people as much as i can (especially newbies) before making the giant leap into the "drug-consuming" world.
The more people know, the less trouble they are likely to get into, and the more our drugs will come to be accepted.
8)

 

[focus]

nice work guyz!
right on! i also think a major factor in taking drugs is the reasons/motives behind our actions.
Recreational use is ok, but when ppl start taking drugs as a means to escape reality, then you really have to wonder...
When people lose an external focus point outside this scene is also another time when they are asking for trouble as they have nothing to divert their attention from getting messed up.

 

[TwztdPsych]

Hey right on focus!
I have come across a coupla people like that, stubborn cunts that have no idea where reality is and how far from grace they've fallen....
If you shorten a BL name it goes with a deadly disease.

 

[mirabii]

Yeah but the problem with educating newbies (and experienced users) is that they (yes its a generalisation) then go and think that they're invincible just cos they know a little bit about what they're doing. Keywords here: HARM MINIMISATION (not elimination). Even the most conscientious users can run into problems. A little bit of knowledge can be a very dangerous thing... Please don't ever fool yourselves into thinking that you know it all. After all we are dealing with drugs which have no quality controls whatsoever.. even testing isn't a fool proof way of knowing if you have a "good" pill - anyone with a tester knows that. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally for education and harm reduction etc, but sometimes I think it's important to remember that knowledge does not make us invincible...
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if you found out you were dreaming, would you want to wake up?
Please don't interrupt me. That last sentence took a lot of effort to think of and now I have to think of another one.

 

[~bill]

Stop pretending you don't take drugs to get fucked up.
By definition being under the influence of drugs involves experiencing an alternative reality ("alternative to the reality of not being on drugs").
BILL
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"fuck-up: (v) to have intercourse with someone higher in socio-economic status."

 

[focus]

i do take drugs to get fucked up but not on such a regular basis to become 'drug fucked'
there is a big difference between recreational which may i define as once every few weeks and escapist which i put at once a week(and taking more when you do it)