• LAVA Moderator: Shinji Ikari

is your entire career pointless? are you working in a bullshit job?

career just means the general field of the job market you want to get into, I had no idea people looked at a word so negatively. Nobody is saying you should strive to work for the same company for the majority of your life but if you gain experience in a field it is something you can never have taken away from you so why not search for another job that is similar if you want to live comfortably?

thats just how I look at it

That's the master plan, but with school on top of my work it's just going to be another thing that I have to think about. For now I want to finish school then start looking for another job.

Just an update on my workplace, I am not being pressured like before because the owners have seen how much of a hard worker I am. ;)
 
Glad your bosses are finally seeing what they have! Here's hoping they make an exception to December raises and bump it up a few months!
 
So you WANT your job to be eliminated?

Yes sir, already got out of it for a WAH job, but I do believe the purpose of technology is to replace the menial work that not many people really want to do. I think since the 2008 bust people overvalue the concept of "job" as something they have to do to get by. Which is true, but that doesn't mean bs jobs should be filled by people when computers can do it better. Sooner or later basic income is going to have to make its way to the mainstream and a lot of full-time/overtime workers are going to be freed from the toil. I can see an upheaval in the way global society is run and goods are produced in the future, freeing people to spend more of their lives doing things they enjoy. The odd part about it is that many people already do this with unemployment benefits, they take the stigma of being social outcasts, but save their backs/health from the disasters of low-wage jobs.

And yes Jerry, I can play on nights and weekends, especially now that I have way more freedom with my new job.
 
I registered just to reply in this thread.

I am a 29 year old IT professional. I specialize in networking solutions and IT security. Over the last 2 years I have become one of the best in my country. Today I reached my yearly turnover goal two months ahead of time. I'm going to earn a bonus in the double digit thousands.

And all I can think of is how absolutely pointless and boring my job is. I hate it.

I do it because I'm good at it and it lets me "pay the rent".

My job is technical, and not creative. As a child in primary school I won awards for poetry and creative writing. I also always wanted to help other people professionally (it might be due to my being born and raised in an African dictatorship). Now all I due I hop from pointless company to pointless company selling my useless IT knowledge. The company I work for gets over 1000€/day for my services.

And it's all pointless and boring and useless.

I have recently started fantasizing with quitting my useless job and becoming a writer, but that would mean going from a well paying job to a NOT-AT-ALL-PAYING job.
I am also in the phase where I am about to get married and have kids.

I am stuck between responsibility to my immediate others / financial maturity and performing a career that I would actually enjoy.

I regularly check at organisations like the UN etc, to see if they can do with someone with my skills, because I still hope I can find a socially useful (and thus personally fulfilling) job with my skillset.

I am afraid that if I continue to grin and bear it, and some point I am going to explode, at a point in life where I can't afford any catastrophic events anymore.
 
I dig 8 foot holes for a living. By mitherfucking hand and jackhammer. Do i enjoy it?? Fuck no, are you fucking crazy??? No one in their right mind likes working outside in the elements alone but to have to walk about 15-30ft from the utility pole and sink an anchor. Those yellow things. And what sucks about the job is having to not only clear a path with a machate through posion ivy, but to look down at where yu put it and say 'damn' bcus theres so much shit to do just to clear a spot for the hole.

Job sucks, i kinda liked working inside a little better because theres no barking dogs that want to know why the fuck are you digging in their yard near where they dig holes so they are fucking with you. Theres posion ivy every fucking where, i mean shits been growing solid years and started flowering n shit, thorns the size of fckin tooth picks, fences to scale(chain,wood&cast iron). Oh my favorite is knocking on folks door to let them know that i dont know what the fuck im doing but need to get in your backyard.stoned as shit. And xananx doesnt help standing up straight either.
 
I'm an engineer who probably has a career (or at least paycheck) that many people envy, and yet I find it harder and harder to drag myself to work each day. My current position deals mainly with technical policy, which is exactly as boring as it sounds. It's all bureaucratic bullshit; most days I work hard but feel I've produced nothing of real value. In fact, I'm not interested in my entire field anymore, not even in the more technically hands-on position I was in before which I certainly enjoyed more than the policy office. Although I'm good at my job and I'm making much more money (legally) than every 26 year old I know, I can't really stand it.

Right now I'm in money-saving mode; planning to leave my job in the next year or 2 and return to university to study drugs full time and then start dealing drugs in a Wal-Mart pharmacy. Then I can tell people I meet that I work at Wal-Mart, and they'll think "wow, you loser" but inside I'll be like "ha, I probably have twice your education and make twice your paycheck, loser!"
 
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I registered just to reply in this thread.

I am a 29 year old IT professional. I specialize in networking solutions and IT security. Over the last 2 years I have become one of the best in my country. Today I reached my yearly turnover goal two months ahead of time. I'm going to earn a bonus in the double digit thousands.

And all I can think of is how absolutely pointless and boring my job is. I hate it.

I do it because I'm good at it and it lets me "pay the rent".

My job is technical, and not creative. As a child in primary school I won awards for poetry and creative writing. I also always wanted to help other people professionally (it might be due to my being born and raised in an African dictatorship). Now all I due I hop from pointless company to pointless company selling my useless IT knowledge. The company I work for gets over 1000€/day for my services.

And it's all pointless and boring and useless.

I have recently started fantasizing with quitting my useless job and becoming a writer, but that would mean going from a well paying job to a NOT-AT-ALL-PAYING job.
I am also in the phase where I am about to get married and have kids.

I am stuck between responsibility to my immediate others / financial maturity and performing a career that I would actually enjoy.

I regularly check at organisations like the UN etc, to see if they can do with someone with my skills, because I still hope I can find a socially useful (and thus personally fulfilling) job with my skillset.

I am afraid that if I continue to grin and bear it, and some point I am going to explode, at a point in life where I can't afford any catastrophic events anymore.

It's quite interesting to hear this perspective, i've spoken to many friends who earn very good money in a particular field or trade but it bores them beyond reason; they do it for the financial security but if money wasn't an issue they would quit it at a moments notice. Information like this is invaluable to me because i have for some time been debating weather to follow the path of financial stability in a career/trade that i'm not interested in or live with financial uncertainty and instability but pursuing work in what i want to do (self-employment/business) and loving it.

The first option helps to establish the foundation for raising a family, which is the only reason i would consider working a boring pointless job for good money; I've learnt to live with very little and i prefer it.. i have a minimalistic approach to life which works for me extremely well; so based on that if im just considering myself i would opt for the financial uncertainty but doing what i love.

Im at this fork in the road now and at present im learning towards the latter.. if family happens then life will adjust accordingly, but i don't think i can compromise my happiness for the possibility that i may or may not have to provide for people other then myself later on.
 
Oddly, no.
I'm tutoring middle schoolers in math right now. This type of practice would hold value (in the sense of providing benefit to people, not in the sense of being salable) in nearly any conceivable economy, so no, it's not a bullshit job. It's rather telling that these types of jobs are the exception rather than the rule though.

ebola
 
With some tweaking, a specialized robot could do my job. I'm not sure when that will happen, though. Sometime after fully automated, self driving vehicles.

Is my job bullshit? Sort of. It shows bullshit. It shows how insurance companies are swimming in money. The medications I deliver go to keeping people pain free, or they control symptoms. Maybe they keep some living.
 
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Look at it like this if you arn't making any money at it, your always working on adding 'creditble' work expierence hours towards a better posistion.
 
i like what i do now, but i've hit its roof. here's hoping for an imminent career change. *fingers crossed*
 
I am in a good place when it comes to employment in that I am a marketable commodity. My work is interesting, well paid, unusual and my current job probably couldn't be done by many people in this country.

I was self employed for the previous five years, and that has been the making of me, professionally. Who knows what the future brings, but why fret?
 
^ good shit, dude! :)


live the american dream, joe! get a better job! the only thing holding you back is you!

:)

alasdair

"If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way."
-Homer Simpson
 
I am currently unemployed and so have lots of free time, but it's not a big deal because here in Germany we have a rather good social security system, being unemployed for several months is not such a problem, you get enough money from insurance and wellfare to pay the rent, internet, cellphone, buy food and even some drugs.

before I lost my job a also had a pretty bullshitty job, I worked at a school for mentally ill and disabled children and youngsters and had to take care of em/prevent them from dangerous activities, fighting and so on. my nerves got ruined at this work and I popped pills and drank tons of booz everyday to keep going. I was literally full of drugs when "working" there. no one smelled a shit.
 
i work in finance building statistical forecasting models. there's certainly some corporate bullshit that comes with working for a bank, but i spend most of my time solving difficult, interesting problems. the outputs of my models are used throughout the bank, and play a central role in very consequential decisions.

not the most exciting stuff in the world, but i really enjoy my work and know that it's being used by the most senior decision-makers in the organization.
 
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I am grateful to enjoy what I do for a living for the past 15+ years. It is a career. It is not pointless or bullshit in the least. I got very lucky to get into the MSc in visual science program and did not plan it. I knew from a very early age that education was important to avoid working in a factory. For 7 summers (50+ hours/week) that is exactly what I did to help pay for my education. My parents don't have a high school education.
 
I read an article a while back about the death of the "career". It was quite a while back though, I don't know where to begin looking for it. It basically outlined the notion that unless you're a successful entrepreneur, work in high finance or other certain fields like PhD level education, the aspects of career longevity are diminishing. Menial labor isn't as rewarding as it used to be with the introduction of outsourcing to cheaper labor sources and technological advancement. University students with grand dreams of long and fruitful careers may be looking at decades of going through several disappointing jobs instead before retiring if they do retire.

To a conflict theorist though, this might be interesting.
I know this is an old post, but to those currently reading who are curious perhaps the article was one of the many articles relating to "The Coming Jobs War" (with respect to inevitable globalization)?
Of the 7 billion people on Earth, there are 5 billion adults aged 15 and older. Of these 5 billion, 3 billion tell Gallup they work or want to work. Most of these people need a full-time formal job. The problem is that there are currently only 1.2 billion full-time, formal jobs in the world. This is a potentially devastating global shortfall of about 1.8 billion good jobs. It means that global unemployment for those seeking a formal good job with a paycheck and 30+ hours of steady work approaches a staggering 50%, with another 10% wanting part-time work.
I'm surprised so many posters have indicated their jobs aren't "bullshit" in one sense or another. I've always agreed with the now famous Christopher McCandless quote (already posted above): "Careers are a 20th century invention". Of course they're an invention, born of economic contrivance and the need of advanced societies to provide their people with a means of self-sufficiency. What are the chances that any but a very small percentage of the positions created of such a need would offer anything but the vaguest sense of meaning or of working towards self-actualization?

I know 70 percent of Americans don't "like" their jobs, which is a strong indication they believe their jobs are "bullshit" in the sense the OP's article uses it. When I consider the inevitability of the further encroachment of globalization on careers in the first world, the prospect of a severe reduction in jobs that offer decent wages at 30+ hours per week, and what it means for bullshit jobs in our globalized future that worldwide a mere 13% like their jobs -- with 24 percent "actively disengaged," or truly unhappy and unproductive -- I'm further confused by career-focused people.

It may be true that good work is more available to those who focus, work hard, develop unique and valuable skills etc., but that doesn't change the fact that if everybody altered their behavior in an attempt to achieve these ends simultaneously and in equal measure there would be essentially the same number working bullshit jobs that made them miserable. Careers are finite and the nature of feasible work is determined by economic demand, not by what provides people with a sense of joy or meaning. The only way for the total workforce to be less miserable on average is to work less.

I'd find a lot more meaning in doing shit work that was required as a civic duty to support some sort of sociopolitical system that ensured all a basic living wage, sought to automate menial labor, and supported middle-class incomes on around 30 hours per week -- that is, shit work that afforded the majority time for work they want to do. If we don't figure out something like that the future looks pretty bleak. Long before anything like that can happen we need to stop judging others and ourselves based more on what we get paid for than what we choose to do with our free time.
 
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