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Opioids Is wd's from Oxy the same as Hydro

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Not Again

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Is one easier than the other? If you are on a lot of oxy can you use hydro to ween your self down? As I understand it they are pretty much the same. Sometimes I only have norcos and take the same amount as I would oxy and it seems to do me right. sometimes I take some oxy and some hydro. To save the oxy pills.

So is hydro easier to come off than oxy or is it the exact same?
 
oxycodone is way harder to come off of, I've never had problems kicking high dose, like last time I was on hydros, up to a gram per day, and it was so much easier to kick than a mere 80mg a day oxycodone habit, but this is just my $0.02, and unless someone posts literature there's not much we can do here afar from speculation..
 
Really? I'm not arguing, I have never been addicted to hydrocodone, though I have taken it plenty of times, mostly before I was hooked on oxy and a few vics got me lit up. Sounds odd that 1000mg of hydro a day is easier to kick than 80mg of oxy, I mean hydro is like half as strong, but thats quite the difference.
 
RTrain said:
Really? I'm not arguing, I have never been addicted to hydrocodone, though I have taken it plenty of times, mostly before I was hooked on oxy and a few vics got me lit up. Sounds odd that 1000mg of hydro a day is easier to kick than 80mg of oxy, I mean hydro is like half as strong, but thats quite the difference.
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yeah i agree RTrain, a gram of hydro is about 600mg of oxy and the withdrawals are similar to most people. I just think tricomb and the the OP are annomilies (sp?) i know tricomb isnt lying.
 
In terms of potency, Oxycodone is more potent than hydrocodone with an approximate ratio of 2:1.

Oxycodone is generally considered to be more potent than hydrocodone. Oxycodone is like 5mg of oxycodone is = to 7.5 of hydrocodone. It is also available as a single-ingredient medication or in combination with other active ingredients, while hydrocodone only comes in combination products.

Diffrences
Oxy is opioid synthesized from poppy-derived thebaine.
Hyd is a semi-synthetic opioid derived from codeine.

So with this info I would say WDs are same, because it's still an opioid. I'm sure doses,way of using might effect different each meds WDs symptoms.
Just my thoughts
 
Would a synthetic based pill be harder to come off of than opium/poppy derived? Effects of oxy seem stronger obviously, but w/d's for me seem pretty identical. Just my humble opinion though. Everybody is different.
Also what about hydromorphone vs. oxymorphone? Are they derived from their counterparts? Curious as to hydromorphone w/d's as well. Never had experience with those withdrawals. Now oxymorphone on the other hand is definitely pretty harsh!!!!
 
Everyone reacts different to all meds

1) Opiates, opiates are naturally occurring opiate alkaloids found in the opium poppy, basically only morphine and codeine. Most other opiate alkaloids such as thebaine are not used medically and are not analgesics. However many, including thebaine are used to make other drugs like hydrocodone. A drug test for opiates will detect morphine and codeine.

2) Semi-synthetic opioid's- these drugs are NOT naturally occurring substances and are NOT opiates. Examples include hydrocodone, oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone, and diacetylmorphine (heroin). These drugs are "built" on opiates and have similar chemical structures. A drug test looking for "opiates" will NOT detect these drugs except diacetylmorphine because it almost instantly breaks down into morphine.

3) Synthetic opioids these drugs are completely man made and are not chemically related to opiates. Examples include methadone, fentanyl, dextropropoxyphene, tramadol, and pethidine (called meperidine in US). Synthetic opioids will NOT be detected in a test for opiates.

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In order to test for a synthetic or semi-synthetic opioid a specific test is required. For example to find oxycodone there would have to be a specific test for oxycodone and oxycodone alone. A basic drug test is a five panel test looking for PCP, THC (marijuana), amphetamines, cocaine, and OPIATES. Since oxycodone and fentanyl are not opiates they will not be detected and specific testing is required. That is why many people, especially health care workers, use synthetic drugs like Demerol (pethidine/meperidine) or fentanyl because they are less likely to be tested for.
 
SC_NowLiving said:
Everyone reacts different to all meds

1) Opiates, opiates are naturally occurring opiate alkaloids found in the opium poppy, basically only morphine and codeine. Most other opiate alkaloids such as thebaine are not used medically and are not analgesics. However many, including thebaine are used to make other drugs like hydrocodone. A drug test for opiates will detect morphine and codeine.

2) Semi-synthetic opioid's- these drugs are NOT naturally occurring substances and are NOT opiates. Examples include hydrocodone, oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone, and diacetylmorphine (heroin). These drugs are "built" on opiates and have similar chemical structures. A drug test looking for "opiates" will NOT detect these drugs except diacetylmorphine because it almost instantly breaks down into morphine.

3) Synthetic opioids these drugs are completely man made and are not chemically related to opiates. Examples include methadone, fentanyl, dextropropoxyphene, tramadol, and pethidine (called meperidine in US). Synthetic opioids will NOT be detected in a test for opiates.

Edit:
In order to test for a synthetic or semi-synthetic opioid a specific test is required. For example to find oxycodone there would have to be a specific test for oxycodone and oxycodone alone. A basic drug test is a five panel test looking for PCP, THC (marijuana), amphetamines, cocaine, and OPIATES. Since oxycodone and fentanyl are not opiates they will not be detected and specific testing is required. That is why many people, especially health care workers, use synthetic drugs like Demerol (pethidine/meperidine) or fentanyl because they are less likely to be tested for.
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That's great info.

I remember in the beginning on a much smaller scale I had wd's from about 120 mg norco a day. Than not that much later in life I was on about the same amount of percocet. The perc's were definitely much harder to deal with, but some also say the second time is always worse than the first time.

I can use hydro and not have any wd's even though I have to do a little more vs oxy. So if I was to switch to hydro and taper then stop would that be easier?

You know the stupid questions you have to ask. There is no body I have besides this place to ask these stupid questions.

So thanks for the responses. Although I personally think these kind of questions are a bit on the stupid side, sometimes you get some good info in the responses like the response I just quoted.
 
Yeah if you have the option to taper down with hydros rather than oxy, I'd definetly go with it if you find hydros less euphoric/fiendy.

Also tramadol occurs naturally, though it wasn't isolated from the plant til after it was introduced to get market and a synthetic opioid.
 
Thanks for info. Curious as to what would suboxone be considered then?
Is it a full synthetic then like methadone? If so how can it be a partial agonist, and methadone a full agonist?
I'm not much of a pharmacologist but do find it interesting.
 
The reason I'm on sub is hydro, it kicked my ass. I couldn't take WDs from 160 mg a day.

I find Oxy to be weaker or on par with hydro, in fact hydro gave me a better feeling. Only reason I went to Oxy was 30 mg no apap.
 
^ curious how long u waited after stopping hydro to stry on your subs? Also how was the transition?
 
Not Again said:
That's great info.

I remember in the beginning on a much smaller scale I had wd's from about 120 mg norco a day. Than not that much later in life I was on about the same amount of percocet. The perc's were definitely much harder to deal with, but some also say the second time is always worse than the first time.

I can use hydro and not have any wd's even though I have to do a little more vs oxy. So if I was to switch to hydro and taper then stop would that be easier?

You know the stupid questions you have to ask. There is no body I have besides this place to ask these stupid questions.

So thanks for the responses. Although I personally think these kind of questions are a bit on the stupid side, sometimes you get some good info in the responses like the response I just quoted.
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There's no such thing as stupid question when it comes to our health or our well being. If you tamper down you tolerance will still work its part. Dosent matter oxy or hyd, still WDs will be there.
For example.
You take 7 oxy a day and you start tamper down with hyd at 4 a day, you liver is not going to be happy. So keep in mind there's going to be WDs even if you lower dose. Opioids are always going to be opioids, if you don't have enough that you are used to,than you body will start to say "Hey I'm not Happy" :)
SWIM found that cold turkey was the best with controlled schedule of over the counter help. It SWIM 5 days to finish his physical WDs, than PAWS with can last from 1 week-years.
Do research on some other options, before you attempt tamper,there's some great info on BL.
Remember if you decide to tamper down you might be prolonging the PAWS.( Just SWIMS experience)
Imodium Ad-major help for belly and it's an opiate, but dosent cross BBB.
Vitamin C
Other vitamins are helpful also

Subs-you referring to suboxin? WDs are at least 3X worst than any opioid,because the life expectancy of the med.

Best of luck to you
 
Oxycodone is worse physically and more so psychologicaly. Hydrocodone is not fun. Went cold turkey with hydro and did not sleep for 5 days. About the same time frame with Oxy but more sickly affects and depression.
You need Kratom powder. It will stop 95%of the wds from both. I used 200-250mg a day of Oxy and it saved my life.
Kratom is cheap and legal
 
I have a slightly different take on this subject. A simple question if I may...how many people can you count that inject hydrocodone vs how many people do you know that inject oxycodone. That's clue number one. ROA. Secondly, reward and pleasure ratio. What sort of balance is there? With oxy, you can inject and get the reward right away ; injecting as high a dose as you please since its single formula vs hydro which as far as I know does not come in a single formula preparation (yet, there has been talk of hydro ER 20s 30s 40s 60s 80s). I would bet that if hydro was available in the same route as oxy is ( single narcotic, no apap ), more people would develop much higher ( dosage wise ) hydro habits. And we would see a shift in the opposite direction, which would even out the WD intensity. Just my opinion, take is as you will.
 
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