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Is this Detox Even legal/ethical?!?

opiatekrzy

opiatekrzy

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Ok fellow Bluelighters, i'm having a SERIOUS PROBLEM HERE. i live in Buffalo, NY. and they only have one Detox that takes people off of benzo medications, reason im going is because i want to go to long term rehab for 6 months, and they don't allow people on benzo meds, so i have to get off them first. I been taking Klonopin roughly 4-5 years now at the dose of 4-6mg daily, im also RXed Suboxone 24mg daily, also been on it 4-5 years. I WENT TO THIS SHIT PLACE, they told me i will be in detx for 3-5 days, for klonopin withdrawl they said i will ONLY be given Phenobarbital, and for suboxone tapering 24mg im on, they will taper. i find this method like extremely dangerous, especially if im going to long term rehab after my "5 day detox" for a 5 year dependency. i can definetly see myself not medically fit for going. Is this even fucking legal?! this long term rehab lets people be on suboxone too, and IM RXed IT, and these DOCTORS eont let me stay on it in detox, its fucking bulllshit. im just finding it hard to believe this Taper is even safe or ethical? PLEASE OPINIONS ANYONE!
 
I have heard of super fast benzo detoxes with the aid of Phenobarbital before, it will most likely eliminate the risks of seizure that are there when you come off benzos fast and after 5 days the seizure risk would be a lot less than on the first few days, but it would still be a possibility. I would say it is kind of safe, but not recommended. You will most likely be very uncomfortable in your own body for quite a while after that fast of a detox, it's not really very ethical at all.

When is your long term rehab starting? Can you not just arrange a slower tapering plan with the doctor that is currently prescribing your clonazepam?

Good luck with it all anyway, hope that you can sort out some better tapering plan, I would not be comfortable practically going cold turkey with the only help being the Phenobarbital for a few days to minimalise the seizure risk.
 
my primary doctor discharged me from his practice for a dirty tox, therefore took me off klonopin. i was on 3mg a day, but he only gave me (20) 0.5mg tablets to taper, i had been abusing them as it is. long term was supposed to start for me, its too late. my suboxone doctor promised me he would keep me on maintenance throughought long term, and re-niggged twice on me, when i showed up at detox he told them doctors he wont be a provider and just taper me off suboxone also 24mg's i was on, so a super rapid detox from benzos and suboxone, and they expect me to do long term..my ass..IDK why this doctor of mine is telling me i can go on it, and then saying no when i get there, yet i'm allowed to see him for suboxone if im not in rehab, $100 every 2 weeks. ugh
 
That does sound harsh to me, I've been tapering off a 3 figure Diaz habit and the taper plan I put together is nearly 3 months long TBH I would have liked to do it quicker but don't have access to a reliable source of something that would have stopped any seizures as the last month, that I'm in now is quite draining in that I have to have Diaz in my possession but am on such a low dose I don't even feel it, for me a combination of the 2 approaches would work better but I've had to do this myself for a number of reasons.

I still fail to get to grips with the medical system in the States, the UK is far from perfect in many ways, I'm no "yanky hater" having visited various parts of it from Mississippi to Boston but your medical system seems absolutely terrible in comparison to what we have, which is far from perfect in itself.

You seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place just when you are clearly trying to get things in order, hang in there I hope it works out for you in the end.
 
i hope so,suboxone has kept me off heroin for 5 years, for the most part with a few relapses. im willing to do the 3-5 day pheno taper to get off benzos so im allowed at long term rehab. I am no way letting go of my suboxone as i use it for maintenance and it is helping; it sounds outrageous that these doctors think 3-5 days tapering off a 5yr xanax habit, and 5yrs of suboxone 24mg together will leave me suitable mentally/physically for long term rehab. no way. its more fucked up that my suboxone doctor agreed to keeping me on it in long term, but when i went to detox, he told the doctors taper me off suboxone that i cant be his patient until i finish 6 months rehab clean and sober; if thats the case why the fuck would i go back on suboxone when its addictive; no way am i gonna go thru acute WD and PAWS in long term for BOTH drugs. ill sacrifice benzos, but to lie to me and say i can stay on it than TWO times tell me go back to detox and change his mind is so not right, i guess he will miss his $200 a month i pay him as im allowed to see him if im not in rehab i suppose. this asshole makes no sense. i can see it already, 5yrs dependent on opiates and benzos and being takingoff of it in 3-5 days will lead me to sign out of long term and end up relapsing, its such an inhumane way of detox, im so mad sorry for rambling
 
Is there not another doctor who's educated in suboxone that you could see and explain your situation to before long term rehab?

~token
 
I'm sorry you are in such a difficult situation :(

We don't cover legal queries here, but if you feel that the recommendation a doctor has made is not appropriate for you, I would seek a second opinion as Token suggests..

Remember that detoxing is only part of the battle; staying clean afterwards, especially if you don't feel prepared to detox so abruptly, might be difficult. I would suggest you talk this through with your doctor and consider something like drugs counselling or support groups.. I would also recommend checking out The Dark Side forum for help and support.

Good luck <3
 
here in buffalo, NY. if ur dependent on benzos, whether its xanax and ur taking 15 bars a day, or klonopin and ur taking 16mgs a day, the detox dont care how long u been on it, or why, they giv everyone Phenobarb for 5 days, so u dont have a seizure and make u suffer the WD they just give u pheno so u dont seizure out, which is so inhumane, but in jail they taper u off with benzos, makes no sense
 
Holy fuck, opiatekrzy!! That's a horrific prospect. I cannot believe that they don't distinguish between long and short acting benzos, or how long you've been on it. I wonder what kind of "success" rate they have had with that program...

Honestly, I'd imagine that after only five days of phenobarbital and then..what? nothing?... a lot of people would be high suicide risk. Clonazepam WD takes way, way longer than a few days, and even if you aren't in danger of seizure it's possible that you'll feel so bad you'd want to die anyway.

I'm not trying to be melodramatic here. It's just that in me experience, I had a horrible, horrible time coming off Klonopin too fast - and that was after only a few months of daily use. I cani't imagine after years...

So you what are you gonna do? That so -called "taper" of 5 days does NOT sound like a viable option for you.
 
after my 5 days of phenobarb, ( i was taking 4-8mgs of klonopin daily for 4 years) but anyway 5 days after they stoppped the phenobarb, i experienced back to back panic attacks, cold seats , rebound anxiety, noises startled me, i as curling my toes and cracking my knuckles i was physical squirming mess for 3 weeks (they said it was all
psychologically) my ass. i couldnt even get a hard on. i was a mess , physically the tension was unbearable, i would sit in bed curled in a fetal position curling my toes andswinging my legs back and forth, 3 weeeks of withdrawl
 
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