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[DaiBanto]

It seems like she died from DTs, caused by abrupt withdrawal of barbiturates. What a terrible thing to do to an elderly woman.

 

[DesertHarp]

Watching that woman suffer for days was horrendous. I was brand new at my job - nurse, so I felt I didn't know enough to question what the seasoned pros were doing. I cannot believe the doctor had some kind of pact with the family to "off" this woman. The only other explanation I can come up with is that the doctor and the nurses at this facility were just that ignorant about how dangerous this was. We were all kind of aghast at what we were seeing. I think we all figured that this withdrawal process was awful rough, but a person comes out the other side. We figured this looks like a nightmare, but it's temporary. Well, nursing home staff really don't know beans about detox. It's not something they had ever handled before. So she died.

My theory was, and is, that this was a case of colossal ignorance on the part of everyone involved. But that begs the question of "How could they not have known better?" Barbiturates had been around for a long time. The patient herself seemed to have a good understanding of how badly this could go. She told me that the benzo we were giving her would be completely inadequate to replace the Seconal. She was a smart, educated, well-spoken, very rich lady. A few days into withdrawal, and she couldn't put a sentence together. To see someone awake around the clock, clawing at the air, despair all over her face . . . it was unforgettable.

My takeaway from witnessing this horror show was that you cannot trust the healthcare system. You cannot trust doctors or nurses. This happened in an expensive facility that catered to rich patients. It had double the staff of most nursing homes. They were concerned about the awful distress the lady was in, so they assigned someone to be in the room with her at all times. I spent one of the nights sitting by her bed, trying to comfort her. She seemed to be in hell. We all cared and felt bad to watch this. But it just went on, while we watched.

People will say things like "Man, I haven't slept in a week." That's not possible. A human body truly cannot survive sleeplessness very long. Sleeplessness, after a few days, will make you psychotic. The appearance of a seriously sleep-deprived person is quite shocking. I wish a video had recorded what this poor woman went through. Her doctor should have had to watch it.

If this could happen to a wealthy person, how much can the rest of us trust healthcare professionals to look out for us?

 

[DaiBanto]

Watching that woman suffer for days was horrendous. I was brand new at my job - nurse, so I felt I didn't know enough to question what the seasoned pros were doing. I cannot believe the doctor had some kind of pact with the family to "off" this woman. The only other explanation I can come up with is that the doctor and the nurses at this facility were just that ignorant about how dangerous this was. We were all kind of aghast at what we were seeing. I think we all figured that this withdrawal process was awful rough, but a person comes out the other side. We figured this looks like a nightmare, but it's temporary. Well, nursing home staff really don't know beans about detox. It's not something they had ever handled before. So she died.

My theory was, and is, that this was a case of colossal ignorance on the part of everyone involved. But that begs the question of "How could they not have known better?" Barbiturates had been around for a long time. The patient herself seemed to have a good understanding of how badly this could go. She told me that the benzo we were giving her would be completely inadequate to replace the Seconal. She was a smart, educated, well-spoken, very rich lady. A few days into withdrawal, and she couldn't put a sentence together. To see someone awake around the clock, clawing at the air, despair all over her face . . . it was unforgettable.

My takeaway from witnessing this horror show was that you cannot trust the healthcare system. You cannot trust doctors or nurses. This happened in an expensive facility that catered to rich patients. It had double the staff of most nursing homes. They were concerned about the awful distress the lady was in, so they assigned someone to be in the room with her at all times. I spent one of the nights sitting by her bed, trying to comfort her. She seemed to be in hell. We all cared and felt bad to watch this. But it just went on, while we watched.

People will say things like "Man, I haven't slept in a week." That's not possible. A human body truly cannot survive sleeplessness very long. Sleeplessness, after a few days, will make you psychotic. The appearance of a seriously sleep-deprived person is quite shocking. I wish a video had recorded what this poor woman went through. Her doctor should have had to watch it.

If this could happen to a wealthy person, how much can the rest of us trust healthcare professionals to look out for us?

Yes, yes, and yes. I had my own experience of barbiturate withdrawal, way back in the dark ages. It wasn’t a long term dependency, but I had been using Sodium Amytal and amylobarbitone daily in industrial quantities for several months. When my stock ran out, my body quickly knew about it…I scrabbled about picking up as many benzos as I could but they made little impact on my nervous system. Finally, I downed a bottle of gin fell asleep for a few hours…apparently woke up in an hallucinatory frenzy…next thing I knew I was in hospital, hooked to a heminevrin (which killed Keith Moon) drip. So I left hospital with a heminevrin habit… GABAergic depressants-booze, barbs, benzos, etc-are the most dangerous drugs to withdraw from…it seems to me this poor woman was a martyr to society’s puritanical attitude to any drugs that aren’t the sanctioned trinity: caffeine, ethanol, and nicotine.

 

[DesertHarp]

Yes, yes, and yes. I had my own experience of barbiturate withdrawal, way back in the dark ages. It wasn’t a long term dependency, but I had been using Sodium Amytal and amylobarbitone daily in industrial quantities for several months. When my stock ran out, my body quickly knew about it…I scrabbled about picking up as many benzos as I could but they made little impact on my nervous system. Finally, I downed a bottle of gin fell asleep for a few hours…apparently woke up in an hallucinatory frenzy…next thing I knew I was in hospital, hooked to a heminevrin (which killed Keith Moon) drip. So I left hospital with a heminevrin habit… GABAergic depressants-booze, barbs, benzos, etc-are the most dangerous drugs to withdraw from…it seems to me this poor woman was a martyr to society’s puritanical attitude to any drugs that aren’t the sanctioned trinity: caffeine, ethanol, and nicotine.

I think calling her a martyr is very apt.

This woman came into the facility in a very stable condition, taking her Seconal every evening. She was fine. She looked and sounded perfectly okay. She calmly read herself to sleep every night. Then they sent her on a one-way trip to hell. It was a relief when she stopped breathing.

Beyond her story, I have a larger point. It is this: You can't trust the system to help you. I'm in the midst of a bad episode of depression. I need help. But after a lifetime of chronically recurring depression, I know all about their "help." You can be in a lot of psychic pain, and they will basically just watch you endure it. I guess this is part of what drives people to use illicit drugs. Relief is relief.

 

[anonymouse77]

I think calling her a martyr is very apt.

This woman came into the facility in a very stable condition, taking her Seconal every evening. She was fine. She looked and sounded perfectly okay. She calmly read herself to sleep every night. Then they sent her on a one-way trip to hell. It was a relief when she stopped breathing.

Beyond her story, I have a larger point. It is this: You can't trust the system to help you. I'm in the midst of a bad episode of depression. I need help. But after a lifetime of chronically recurring depression, I know all about their "help." You can be in a lot of psychic pain, and they will basically just watch you endure it. I guess this is part of what drives people to use illicit drugs. Relief is relief.

Again very sad about that lady. That was distressing to even read so I cannot imagine witnessing it or going through it. They should have just provided the damn medication. I hate this world sometimes. I have come to the same conclusion also about there is not a lot of help out there especially with addiction/dependence problems and mental health. I ended up going to the hospital yesterday (a major hospital for our region) and I overheard them talking about if there was a drugs and alcohol helpline on call of a Saturday. Just from what I overheard there wasn't one. I think this was for my case. I phoned a drug and alcohol line before I went and told them what I had been taking and they said to go to emergency. I slept a long time and hadn't had a dose of the tempantadol and felt really off yesterday like I was poisoned and did some damage. Anyway I was at the hospital all day (from about 9.30am to 5pm). As I expected I was made to wait but they took blood and checked liver and kidneys and it came back fine and just being out and not taking it as much I felt a bit better as the day went on. So maybe it was a waste of their time but it's done now. I felt a bit more grateful coming away as towards the end of the day I saw someone go into one of the rooms with two police officers and it make me feel grateful I could leave freely and go home to my cat. I also realised how ultimately we are responsible for our own health really.

 

[DaiBanto]

I think calling her a martyr is very apt.

This woman came into the facility in a very stable condition, taking her Seconal every evening. She was fine. She looked and sounded perfectly okay. She calmly read herself to sleep every night. Then they sent her on a one-way trip to hell. It was a relief when she stopped breathing.

Beyond her story, I have a larger point. It is this: You can't trust the system to help you. I'm in the midst of a bad episode of depression. I need help. But after a lifetime of chronically recurring depression, I know all about their "help." You can be in a lot of psychic pain, and they will basically just watch you endure it. I guess this is part of what drives people to use illicit drugs. Relief is relief.

My sympathies. I am, the shrinks claim, bipolar1, so recurring black depression is something I live in fear of…and I have found illicit drugs more effective as treatment than than the ghastly psychiatric nocebos: you are right—relief is relief….

 

[DesertHarp]

Again very sad about that lady. That was distressing to even read so I cannot imagine witnessing it or going through it. They should have just provided the damn medication. I hate this world sometimes. I have come to the same conclusion also about there is not a lot of help out there especially with addiction/dependence problems and mental health. I ended up going to the hospital yesterday (a major hospital for our region) and I overheard them talking about if there was a drugs and alcohol helpline on call of a Saturday. Just from what I overheard there wasn't one. I think this was for my case. I phoned a drug and alcohol line before I went and told them what I had been taking and they said to go to emergency. I slept a long time and hadn't had a dose of the tempantadol and felt really off yesterday like I was poisoned and did some damage. Anyway I was at the hospital all day (from about 9.30am to 5pm). As I expected I was made to wait but they took blood and checked liver and kidneys and it came back fine and just being out and not taking it as much I felt a bit better as the day went on. So maybe it was a waste of their time but it's done now. I felt a bit more grateful coming away as towards the end of the day I saw someone go into one of the rooms with two police officers and it make me feel grateful I could leave freely and go home to my cat. I also realised how ultimately we are responsible for our own health really.

I'm sorry you were in bad enough shape to need emergency care, but I'm glad you got the medical attention you required.

Yes, we are each of us responsible to maintain our own health, physically and mentally. Sometimes we need help.

 

[DesertHarp]

My sympathies. I am, the shrinks claim, bipolar1, so recurring black depression is something I live in fear of…and I have found illicit drugs more effective as treatment than than the ghastly psychiatric nocebos: you are right—relief is relief….

One psychiatrist told me I was bipolar. I was given a half dozen different diagnoses by various doctors. It's a bunch of guessing.

These depressive tailspins are coming too close together. I've been referred for help. They don't know how bad this has gotten. I can manage to look and act pretty normal when I have to go out. But, at home, I'm hardly able to function.

The psych meds are mostly useless. Hydrocodone helps a little, but my prescribed supply is rather small. If I had the connections to try other stuff, I'ld probably get into trouble.

I'm wondering what illicit substance eases depression.

 

[DaiBanto]

One psychiatrist told me I was bipolar. I was given a half dozen different diagnoses by various doctors. It's a bunch of guessing.

These depressive tailspins are coming too close together. I've been referred for help. They don't know how bad this has gotten. I can manage to look and act pretty normal when I have to go out. But, at home, I'm hardly able to function.

The psych meds are mostly useless. Hydrocodone helps a little, but my prescribed supply is rather small. If I had the connections to try other stuff, I'ld probably get into trouble.

I'm wondering what illicit substance eases depression.

I guess my opiate use is more of a ‘mood stabilizer’—as the shrinks describe things like lithium: which seemed simply a poison, made feel seasick—I believe you said, relief is relief, and I heartily concurred. But I’ve come to terms with the fact that some drugs make it easier for me to function in the world. I’d just rather be the one to choose which drugs they are. If I got so depressed I couldn’t do what I need to get done, I would take bupropion, or Wellbutrin, if given no other option but a psychiatric drug. But that it’s because it’s a cathinone—related to many popular research chemicals: and amphetamines. But as I said, but not quite as bluntly: I am a junky. But I resent the dominant discourse’s ‘war on drugs’. #prohibitionkills #safesupplysaveslives.
Have you tried psychedelics (not when depressed!) or thought about ketamine? But beware. ‘Relief is relief’ seems to me a sign that you are already in a junky state of mind. And I don’t mean that as a judgment or criticism. All those people who MUST have a coffee feel the same way, but the dominant discourse sanctions caffeine. I hope you feel better. Truly. Love other people and the world

 

[DesertHarp]

I

I guess my opiate use is more of a ‘mood stabilizer’—as the shrinks describe things like lithium: which seemed simply a poison, made feel seasick—I believe you said, relief is relief, and I heartily concurred. But I’ve come to terms with the fact that some drugs make it easier for me to function in the world. I’d just rather be the one to choose which drugs they are. If I got so depressed I couldn’t do what I need to get done, I would take bupropion, or Wellbutrin, if given no other option but a psychiatric drug. But that it’s because it’s a cathinone—related to many popular research chemicals: and amphetamines. But as I said, but not quite as bluntly: I am a junky. But I resent the dominant discourse’s ‘war on drugs’. #prohibitionkills #safesupplysaveslives.
Have you tried psychedelics (not when depressed!) or thought about ketamine? But beware. ‘Relief is relief’ seems to me a sign that you are already in a junky state of mind. And I don’t mean that as a judgment or criticism. All those people who MUST have a coffee feel the same way, but the dominant discourse sanctions caffeine. I hope you feel better. Truly. Love other people and the world

You're not wrong to say I'm "in a junky state of mind." I'm just not connected to any purveyors of illicit drugs. I don't seek that out because I fear making my life worse than it is.

I was put on lithium twice. I got bad side effects - the most threatening being severe diarrhea. So I can't take it. I was put on a lot of psychotropics that did nothing for me. I never tried ketamine. I would be willing to try it.

 

[DaiBanto]

I

You're not wrong to say I'm "in a junky state of mind." I'm just not connected to any purveyors of illicit drugs. I don't seek that out because I fear making my life worse than it is.

I was put on lithium twice. I got bad side effects - the most threatening being severe diarrhea. So I can't take it. I was put on a lot of psychotropics that did nothing for me. I never tried ketamine. I would be willing to try it.

Have you looked into treatment options in your area? The problem is…the hierarchy as usual. I held MAPS in high esteem. But turbocapitalism devours almost everything. Doblin is no longer squeaky clean…money, money, money Cabaret…
I can’t see a clinical setting as ideal for the internal journey involved in a lot of psychedelic therapy. Experienced trippers/trip sitters you preferably gnow and trust, are the thing but not everywhere/one is primed for what can be a delicate…business . I’d want a lot of thought put into the playlist: lying on a bed with a light excluding mask, the soundtrack will become the movie for 4-6 hrs with psilocybe mushrooms . Best for the psych naive, and psych blasé alike.
I have no idea how K is used? But I believe it’s more the resetting of receptors it possibly than the experience of K holing… a reverse comedown. I am prescribed a lot of morphine and a certain amount of vyvanse (maximum) and k-pins but I do buy analogues to top up and be free of the dominant discourse and the street. But I’m ostracized by one of my beloved daughters, I guess. She wants nothing to do with me. I’ve held my baby granddaughter for about 30 seconds. Texts, e-mails go unanswered. I weep. I think it was my erratic behaviour when I was trying to fit the social mould, erratic behaviour made worse by alcohol. But I never hit her. To my shame I was shouty.But I loved both my daughters unconditionally, and my elder daughter seems to (my insecurity) be fond of me (dammit she proves it!) and we have playdates with my older (31/2) granddaughter. But I’m excluded from Christmas etc (I could act as a coat stand, at her place and be in heaven. I wanted an extended family. Living alone is like living with an open wound —see what à demanding guy I am! I’m probably hard to take in large daily doses….
And narcissistic…actually no. I gnow some narcissists, and I think not. Ah…you win some, you lose some…

 

[paranoid android]

Watching that woman suffer for days was horrendous. I was brand new at my job - nurse, so I felt I didn't know enough to question what the seasoned pros were doing. I cannot believe the doctor had some kind of pact with the family to "off" this woman. The only other explanation I can come up with is that the doctor and the nurses at this facility were just that ignorant about how dangerous this was. We were all kind of aghast at what we were seeing. I think we all figured that this withdrawal process was awful rough, but a person comes out the other side. We figured this looks like a nightmare, but it's temporary. Well, nursing home staff really don't know beans about detox. It's not something they had ever handled before. So she died.

My theory was, and is, that this was a case of colossal ignorance on the part of everyone involved. But that begs the question of "How could they not have known better?" Barbiturates had been around for a long time. The patient herself seemed to have a good understanding of how badly this could go. She told me that the benzo we were giving her would be completely inadequate to replace the Seconal. She was a smart, educated, well-spoken, very rich lady. A few days into withdrawal, and she couldn't put a sentence together. To see someone awake around the clock, clawing at the air, despair all over her face . . . it was unforgettable.

My takeaway from witnessing this horror show was that you cannot trust the healthcare system. You cannot trust doctors or nurses. This happened in an expensive facility that catered to rich patients. It had double the staff of most nursing homes. They were concerned about the awful distress the lady was in, so they assigned someone to be in the room with her at all times. I spent one of the nights sitting by her bed, trying to comfort her. She seemed to be in hell. We all cared and felt bad to watch this. But it just went on, while we watched.

People will say things like "Man, I haven't slept in a week." That's not possible. A human body truly cannot survive sleeplessness very long. Sleeplessness, after a few days, will make you psychotic. The appearance of a seriously sleep-deprived person is quite shocking. I wish a video had recorded what this poor woman went through. Her doctor should have had to watch it.

If this could happen to a wealthy person, how much can the rest of us trust healthcare professionals to look out for us?

I am not surprised something like that happened. Not after what i went through in the psych ward anyway. I was thrown in there against my will and made to go cold turkey from 6mg's of clonazepam and 150mg's of morphine. After i knocked out a doctor for refusing my meds i was then thrown in solitary which didnt even have a toilet. Dunno how thats legal.

 

[DaiBanto]

I am not surprised something like that happened. Not after what i went through in the psych ward anyway. I was thrown in there against my will and made to go cold turkey from 6mg's of clonazepam and 150mg's of morphine. After i knocked out a doctor for refusing my meds i was then thrown in solitary which didnt even have a toilet. Dunno how thats legal.

If one has been sectioned, in Britain the colloquial term for being locked up because your psychological suffering has made literally egregious—so they take a social ape out of society—a punishment in itself. Now I’m brought up short everytime a quack says: I’m doctor smee the geriatric urologist, and you uncross your legs long enough to say, Is the regular one sick…,and you remember despite your emotional age of around 8…you get a pension check every month….

 

[paranoid android]

If one has been sectioned, in Britain the colloquial term for being locked up because your psychological suffering has made literally egregious—so they take a social ape out of society—a punishment in itself. Now I’m brought up short everytime a quack says: I’m doctor smee the geriatric urologist, and you uncross your legs long enough to say, Is the regular one sick…,and you remember despite your emotional age of around 8…you get a pension check every month….

Being sectioned was jarring enough but to go right from my nice comfy house to solitary confinement and having to piss on the floor (and 1 time on a guard lol) was fucking hell. That shit should not be legal

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I think calling her a martyr is very apt.

This woman came into the facility in a very stable condition, taking her Seconal every evening. She was fine. She looked and sounded perfectly okay. She calmly read herself to sleep every night. Then they sent her on a one-way trip to hell. It was a relief when she stopped breathing.

Beyond her story, I have a larger point. It is this: You can't trust the system to help you. I'm in the midst of a bad episode of depression. I need help. But after a lifetime of chronically recurring depression, I know all about their "help." You can be in a lot of psychic pain, and they will basically just watch you endure it. I guess this is part of what drives people to use illicit drugs. Relief is relief.

Thats a quit shocking story showing how retarted our medical system is. Sad to realize not really changed since that lady died.
They still dont have a clue how to properly wd somebody 90% falls back. Ashton manual they never heard of GHB addict's they dont know how to treat and taper. So I said type Xyrem and you have the answer, aint that hard tapering someone on known pharmaceutical GHB in a inpatient setting.

These so called medical addiction drs are airheads, they gave me twice as much Diazepam on day one as needed, but don't even realize that only covers the GABA-a part. And at my request halved it, but 80-40-20-10 is that a reasonable taper, no.

Get your distrust, especially rural areas, certain hospitals and all the psychic health instutions till now (and not going to any either well MDMA asssited therapie cant deny that one). Offcourse there are exceptions, but they are not an option because this or that. Free psychiatrist or psychologists score better ime.

Everybody ever met a normal family dr?

 

[DaiBanto]

Thats a quit shocking story showing how retarted our medical system is. Sad to realize not really changed since that lady died.
They still dont have a clue how to properly wd somebody 90% falls back. Ashton manual they never heard of GHB addict's they dont know how to treat and taper. So I said type Xyrem and you have the answer, aint that hard tapering someone on known pharmaceutical GHB in a inpatient setting.

These so called medical addiction drs are airheads, they gave me twice as much Diazepam on day one as needed, but don't even realize that only covers the GABA-a part. And at my request halved it, but 80-40-20-10 is that a reasonable taper, no.

Get your distrust, especially rural areas, certain hospitals and all the psychic health instutions till now (and not going to any either well MDMA asssited therapie cant deny that one). Offcourse there are exceptions, but they are not an option because this or that. Free psychiatrist or psychologists score better ime.

Everybody ever met a normal family dr?

To be honest I’ve never met a completely normal plumber…but we are quirky monkeys after all.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

To be honest I’ve never met a completely normal plumber…but we are quirky monkeys after all.

Me neither. But i always wonder wouldnt my dr be better suited as plummer, and the plummer that just rolled in that job by a school advise and maybe his grades or influence on what to become from parents or teachers, maybe the choice was based on where go my friends.

But assuming 'one could know' his real capacitys, he just might be a horrible plummer but could have been a perfect doc?

 

[DaiBanto]

Me neither. But i always wonder wouldnt my dr be better suited as plummer, and the plummer that just rolled in that job by a school advise and maybe his grades or influence on what to become from parents or teachers, maybe the choice was based on where go my friends.

But assuming 'one could know' his real capacitys, he just might be a horrible plummer but could have been a perfect doc?

Very likely.