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GumbyClaymation

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I've got a gram of mdma and half a gram of mda. Supposedly both are about 80%. They test as being mdxx. While I can't determine % from a reagent test, these powders have a reputation as being good quality. I've tried a few times with breaks in between (3 to 4 weeks) and only gotten "fizzles" -- a little eye wiggle, a little increase in heartrate, some possibly non-placebo euphoria, but really mild.

The last dose I had was 261mg of mdma oral. After 1.5 hours, I was so disappointed that I dropped 150 mg of MDA. Still not much more than I'd feel from high dose caffeine (minus jitters). I'm wondering WTF? It would seem like bunk, but many others praise it.

A little more detail: I have rolled a couple times in my early 20s with good effect. That was with pills, and I didn't know aboit testing at the.time. I'm quite fit and healthy. Not on any meds. Didn't feel any hangover or depression afterwards. I am a bit of a hardhead. Tryptamines a little hardheaded; some phens a lot hardheaded. Also with the likes of methylone and 4mmc, I'd have to take a gram at once to.feel it. I only used about 10-15 g lifetime of those, and it was well spaced out and some months ago.

I'd be a little less.surprised about not rolling given my hard headedness, but as I said, I have rolled.before. This isn't trying to be a what did I take thread, but I kinda.wonder now what was in the pills now.

Set and setting : I.was at home.with my young kids listening to techno music (think tickles and cuddles). I had fun, but nothing really extra. I tried to dance a bit to see if it would take me somewhere, but no dice.

Any ideas on what to try next? Maybe different ROA? Insufflated? I 've never been big on plugging, but if some stomach chemistry could be blocking it, I could try. BTW, the 2nd and 3rd attempts were on an empty stomach. Up the dose even more? Give up?

This got awfully long. If you're still with me, thanks for reading, and I appreciate any ideas you may have.
 
Hello mate :)
MD up your nose is like snorting glass. Aslong as you are OK with the pain (your eyes WILL water after the first one) it will do the job though. Noticable effects after 10 mins from 60-80mg nasal for me.

I notice you said you'd have to do full g's of 4-MMC to have an effect. I am alien to this, having tried in my life around the same amount as you, however each time maybe 50-100mg nasal and I'd be in space on those occasions. Because of this I just want to up numbers and dosage, not too much though.

Before I continue I have not had experience with MDA and how it interacts with MDMA so any numbers are in relation to MDMA use alone, not use in conjunction with MDA :). Perhaps try 350-400mg of MDMA, I would not suggest nasal unless you honestly need that kicked-in-the-face feeling [night out maybe, not relaxed night in]. Try it in 3 bombs 110-130mg each spaced out 1h between each. From good % crystals I do not see a problem.

Good luck :)
 
Most molly, even if it's not cut with active chems, is usually pretty heavily cut with fillers. I test mine positive for mdxx and it still takes about 400mg to roll hard. But thats really hard lol.
 
Your description includes a rather impressive amount of serotonergic drugs!
A GRAM of methylone and 4mmc?

Jesus Christ.

These drugs aren't as researched as MDMA - of course few drugs are.
But this is the greatest suspect.
Right?

If heavy previous use of psychedelic drugs doesn't qualify as the prime suspect, what does?

Quite a lot of MDMA users 'lose the magic'.
Studies of neuroendocrine function have shown that even after 2.5 years of abstinence some MDMA users still exhibit significantly reduced response to MDMA or other serotonin agents.

Typically serotonin releasing agents cause an initial surge of cortisol, followed by prolactin.
Prolactin is released during orgasm, breast-feeding, childbirth....and has profound effects upon social functions such as talking.
It is directly associated with the positive effects of MDMA - so prolactin is 'magic'.

You are lacking this critical endocrine function, due to your previous heavy use of serotonin agents.
This is the simplest answer.

The solution?

Take a LONG break.
Think multiple years.
Not months.

Clinical recovery from MDMA takes between 12-24 months.
This is seen in multiple lines of research, and endocrine studies show long-lasting or permanent changes.

Few others here would be so blunt with you, but abstinence is the ONLY key.
Other than this only Piracetam will make a difference.
But there is NO substitute for time.
 
First Bad Comedown said:
Your description includes a rather impressive amount of serotonergic drugs!

Typically serotonin releasing agents cause an initial surge of cortisol, followed by prolactin.
Prolactin is released during orgasm, breast-feeding, childbirth....and has profound effects upon social functions such as talking.
It is directly associated with the positive effects of MDMA - so prolactin is 'magic'.
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Are you sure you're not mixing prolactin and oxytocin up? Because I've never heard anyone claim that the magic of mdma has anything to do with prolactin, even if prolactin levels were to raise above normal after dosing MDMA. I mean, oxytocin is secreted during childbirth, breast-feeding and orgasm.
 
First Bad Comedown:
While I appreciate the candid response, I'm not convinced that this is due to my previous drug use. I wrote in that I used 15g total (probably a little less) of methylone/mephedrone in my lifetime. The first time I used methylone was about 3 years after my last roll with pills (3 pills total lifetime dose). It went something like this:

2003:
100mg no effect
month break
200mg no effect
month break
400mg no effect
month break
800 mg - some small detectable effects
month break
950mg - feels almost like what other trip reports describe

decide it's too expensive based on how much it costs (2003), so I give the rest away and stop trying for another few years

2009: try mephedrone with similar progression as above
2010: try methylone again (in case original supplier was poor quality) similar progression as above


I'll accept that there may be some brain chemical imbalance, but I'd really not believe it's caused by this pattern of use. I don't notice any other problems; I hold a white collar job and seem to do just fine; have friends, relationships, etc. I'd go to the doctor for an evaluation, but I have no other symptoms, and can't really just ask for help with rolling. lol

To the others, there are dozens of others who claim to roll face off 125-150mg of this same supply. Unless they're all BSing, then it's not the product. It's me.

Thanks all.
 
There are ways to potentiate MDMA. I've heard piracetam makes the experience more intense, also I'm going to recommend Sams diet once again (darksidesam). Check out his blog! I used his diet and instead of having to take 2-3 pills I rolled pretty damn hard of just one. Hope this helps! Peace
 
OK. So I had another try, and I took 280mg oral mdma and 160mg oral mda. At T+1 hour, I insufflated 180mg of mdma. I had a some stimulation and elevated mood, but really no tactile enhancement. I'm starting to think that my previous "rolls" from a few years ago were primarily contact highs rather than actual effects. I'm guessing that I'm one of the unlucky few that just can't roll. Either my brain chemistry opposes it, or I'm metabolizing it before it can effect me (I have a very high metabolism).
 
That's an insane initial dose 260mg of mdma and 160mda. The only thing I.can guess is are u maybe on anti depressents? That I hear can block the effects of mdma. Idk man that dosage u just mentioned would kill an ox!!! Either that or this stuff is so cut down that u need a gram to get off. But hey u at least get minor eye wiggles whereas I can't get any period no matter how hard I roll and believe me I roll fucking hard except for those eye wigs! Just because ur test results show mdxx compounds it doesn't tell u how potent it is. Hope this helped
 
GumbyClaymation said:
The last dose I had was 261mg of mdma oral. After 1.5 hours, I was so disappointed that I dropped 150 mg of MDA.
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8o - I personally would be unable to stand up / move / do anything except lie on the floor in a pool of my own sweat while I chew my own face off. That is a crazy amount of drugs and honestly if your not feeling 150mgs of MDMA then you need to stop. You either have a crazy tolerance, your gear is cut, your on medication, your physical make up means MDx/Mdxx isn't for you.
 
yanker said:
That's an insane initial dose 260mg of mdma and 160mda. The only thing I.can guess is are u maybe on anti depressents? That I hear can block the effects of mdma. Idk man that dosage u just mentioned would kill an ox!!! Either that or this stuff is so cut down that u need a gram to get off. But hey u at least get minor eye wiggles whereas I can't get any period no matter how hard I roll and believe me I roll fucking hard except for those eye wigs! Just because ur test results show mdxx compounds it doesn't tell u how potent it is. Hope this helped
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have you tried any other euphoric recreational drugs (opiates, cocaine, amp etc.)?

sorry for bumping old post!!
 
5000m, good question. I've tried many things. Opiates don't do much for me - even pain relief. I didn't really "get" coke. I felt something, but woildn't pay to repeat the experience. Methamphetamine worked on me. I felt speedy and could be content doing anything or or nothing at all, but not so sure about euphoria. Psychadelics work for me best, though even then I'm a bit of a hardhead. Maybe I just am not meant to do these other things.

Thanks
 
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