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Is there a simple way to test for desoxypipradol?

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I got an unknown powder that was said to be an mpdv analogue, but there is a rumors that it is a desoxy. I do want to make a simple chemical test on it, can anybody tell me if there's an easy way, such as temperature test, or maybe some reactions with simple reagents. Biotest is an last resort :)
 
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1. If can be sure (and I mean REALLY SURE) that your material was not cut, then meltings points are a cheap method to give you further info about your material. I guess the chances are low that the material is pure, given the fact that you have already concerns about the identity.
2. Another comparably cheap method would be TLC. This requires genuine material for comparison though.

About what kind of MDPV-analog are we talking? If this details is not given, too, then there's no reliable way to determine what kind of compound you have in your possession.
 
It is a marketing in it's worst, people selling desoxy for other people and name it MDPV analogue, because PV is controlled in our country.
So, I will have it in posession and try to talk to my friend chemist, maybe he will help me to check melting point.
Can anybody say is desoxy manufactured as a salt or it is freebase?
 
^Most probably as hydrochloride salt.
Melting points:

Desoxypipradol freebase: 65-67 °C
Desoxypipradol-HCl: 286-287 °C (crystallized from propan-2-ol)
 
I don't recommend this one, most people don't think it's a lot of fun and it lasts forever...

The only surefire is GC/MS or LC/MS or NMR if you think your sample is fairly pure.
 
The other information is that person insufllated 100 mg and expierenced typical stim euphoria, after that his mood became dark, and he was not able to sleep for 3 days. Other people inject doses from 50 to 100 mg and have similar symptoms.
From what I've read desoxy in 100 mg would end in psych ward, so if 2-dipenylprolinol and 2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine are more benign and less potene than desoxy?
Yes, I do not have an access to analytical equipment, only to simple lab chemicals like solvents and non-organic chemistry materials.
 
it could be cut heavily though, lower potency doesnt say as much as higher potency
 
I bought an MPA-100 melting point apparatus to get "rough" idea's of what I have, but while not as much as an agilent 1100 (HPLC), it is still a little "expensive". I found it to be worth it. The agilent last time I checked were going for $20k, refurbished! Little pricey for me, if I'm that concerned i'll send it in to someone who really know what they are doing, as opposed to buying a used 20k device that I sort of know what I am doing......

Sending a sample in is not very expensive, definitely cheaper than buying a good melting point apparatus.....I use mine for a rough idea with a compound of known identity, but questionable purity. Even then, sometimes I have to send it in......
 
Doing several reagent tests (Marquis, Mecke) and comparing against an online database can be used to rule out most common substitutions, including, particularly, diphenylprolinol and desoxypipradol.

They do not positively verify the identity of a compound, but they do provide some level of knowledge of a compound that is certainly superior to performing no analysis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady's_test#Brady.27s_test can be used to verify the presence of a ketone functionality, which will rule out any of the benzhydryl compounds. 2,4-dinitrophenylhydrazine is commercially available, but make sure to read and understand the MSDS before attempting to use it.
 
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