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Is the new generation of RC vendors destroying the RC market?

Jaymuhz

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Much of what I am saying as already been said many times before, but I thought I would consolidate my thoughts and see what Bluelight had to say on the matter, if this post is not welcome here, I apologize.

As recreational drug users, this new found ease of availability in research chemicals poses a dilemma. On the surface, one would assume that easily available high purity drugs would be welcomed by all users, both experienced and otherwise. But this massive surge in online vendors seems to be becoming a doubled edged sword.

Like many users, my first steps into the world of research chemicals was abusing Mephedrone in the summer of last year, unlike most many people using it, I understood that it’s long and short term dangers were widely unknown, and understood the risk. But fiends will be fiends.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but before the rise and fall of Mephedrone and the other cathinones, the RC market was generally restricted to either those who had something to contribute, or those lucky enough to have found a reliable source through personal connections. Generally, only experienced psyconauts and rouge chemists delved into the pages of PiHKAL and TiHKAL and experimented with new, previously untested analogs to find a new, legal buzz. This made the whole scene somewhat restricted and elitist, and mostly left alone by the authorities and the media, with a few exceptions like the whole Hive fiasco (although The Hive was called out on its discussion of illegal drugs).

This is probably what kept it alive, here, experienced, relatively responsible users were actively trying not to draw to much attention to them self. Unlike this new generation of vendors who market there stimulants to the masses, plastering the words ‘LEGAL HIGHS’ all over their websites. The words ‘plant food’ as basically become synonymous with party powders and everyone from your 14 year old cousin to your grandma knew that you could buy drone for £14.99 online. Hordes of ill informed and irresponsible people were buying it and taking it in huge quantities and eventually it contributed to a few deaths. Of course this is what caused the media, and by proxy the government to pay attention, inevitably leading to a ban. We got lucky with just a cathinone ban, and not massive draconian blanket ban that basically said ‘anything that isn’t already legal and you can consume to have fun is now illegal’.

This may sound ridiculous, but how do you think the government are going to respond if these drone replacements (which look far nastier in my opinion) that are about to hit the market, or chemicals like chemicals like Phenazepam, sell nearly as well? With all the horror stories associated with them, large scale, irresponsible use would certainly end with some absurd drugs act being passed, if only to silence the just as idiotic and ill informed screaming mothers and busy-body do-gooders. In essence the vendors are putting themselves out of business.

However I do not think they don’t realize that, they know that by mass marketing potentially dangerous, untested narcotics that they provoking extreme response from the powers that be. They also realize that they can make far more money in a short period of time mass marketing these powders to the general public, than they ever could keeping things hush, and restricting use to relatively small group of users who are intelligent and responsible.
I see no solution to this dilemma, I in no way advocate elitism, but I also think the wider public has proved it self too hedonistic and short sited to be trusted to keep the worst case scenario from happening.

Thoughts?

-J
 
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Is the new generation of RC vendors destroying the RC market?

my first steps into the world of research chemicals was abusing Mephedrone in the summer of last year


so i mean like u kinda ARE the new generation of internet, grey market, drug buyers. to me at least.
 
Oh I am indeed. This wasn't a bash at the buyers, or even the vendors really. I just wanted to see if people thought the RC market would survive this new found mass marketing.
 
Its not some new type of mass marketing lol. I've been getting "legal highs" off the net since the late 80s when I had COMPUSERVE lol. before the times of AOL. Back then it was through newsgroups, chatrooms etc..

I don't forsee some "absurd drug act" being passed. The scheduling of a new chemical has to go through an extensive process. I can't see the government passing some type of super generalized law for all RC's...

I do agree that obviously if there was no mass marketing the chance of these rc's staying legal is a lot better, but then again a lot of us also probably wouldn't have access to them if it wasn't for the net.
 
No.

Just because RC vendors are producing more and more abusable RCs doesn't mean shit to the market. IMO it's a good thing, they should come up with as many new drugs as possible, whether they are psychedelics, dissociatives, stimulants, depressants or opioids. Only people that think these new RCs are ruining the market are the extreme psychonauts who think psychedelics and cannabis are the only 'good' drugs.
 
Its not some new type of mass marketing lol. I've been getting "legal highs" off the net since the late 80s when I had COMPUSERVE lol. before the times of AOL. Back then it was through newsgroups, chatrooms etc..

I don't forsee some "absurd drug act" being passed. The scheduling of a new chemical has to go through an extensive process. I can't see the government passing some type of super generalized law for all RC's...

I do agree that obviously if there was no mass marketing the chance of these rc's staying legal is a lot better, but then again a lot of us also probably wouldn't have access to them if it wasn't for the net.

Buying legal highs in news groups and chatrooms is a little different than say, going to Matter, one of the biggest clubs in england, and being given a flyer for 'Mephdirect' on your way through the door. The way they are being sold and marketed is now completely different if you ask me.
 
No.

Just because RC vendors are producing more and more abusable RCs doesn't mean shit to the market. IMO it's a good thing, they should come up with as many new drugs as possible, whether they are psychedelics, dissociatives, stimulants, depressants or opioids. Only people that think these new RCs are ruining the market are the extreme psychonauts who think psychedelics and cannabis are the only 'good' drugs.

The type of drug they are producing isn't really what I'm getting at, I'm talking more about them provoking reaction from the government in terms of legislation.

I agree with you are saying though, the more pure, cheap drugs that are easily available the better.
 
depends on the site. ive seen sites where they explicitly state its not for human consumption not to mention they give the full scientific name for the chemical.

as for the sites that sell rc's with cutsie names. like trip, euphoria, dream, nrg etc you get the idea. and say dumb shit like. 'THIS CHEMICAL WILL MAKE YOU TRIP BALLS YO". that might attract bad attention. i take those sites with a grain of salt though. 10 to 1 those ones are bullshit sites anyways
 
Ive been buying RCs on the web since long before mephedrone. All I can say is, my sites are still legit. Id agree with the person that says trust the ones that give the full chemical name, they are more likely to have what you are after, and are more likely to be discreet and reliable
 
I just recently got back into the online market following a long hiatus in the aftermath of Web Trype, as well a break from tripping in general for personal reasons.

Honestly, I was amazed the market was still going at such scale. While it took me some time, I was able to locate several venders without the aid of personal connections or word of mouth. While it wasn't nearly as easy as the pre-web trype days, it was easy enough to cause concern.

I have since made some connections, and there are rumors circulating from those with ties to suppliers that events are on the cusp of unfolding (i.e. shit is about to go down, probably by later this year or early next). More and more shipments are getting held up in Customs. I even heard just today of a vender advertising at a music festival (this made me furious, I mean wtf are they thinking?!) This, I"m afraid, spells the beginning of the end, or at least the scene being driven much farther underground (for better or for worse). It may re-group and re-organize at a later time, but then again if enough overdoses or other tragedies or irresponsible behavior gets the spotlight, legislation could be passed to kill it entirely. The recent meph and JWH debacles in the news come to mind.

I suggest stocking up while you can. Getting back into the scene, I had the feeling that it was too good to be true. It may be paranoia on my part, but on the other hand there may be reason for concern.

It's really sad to, with so many promising new compounds available now or on the horizon.
 
This thread strikes a nerve with something that happened last night.

I’ve only done ecstatsy once, but it was a great experience. Im almost positive they were good clean rolls, it felt amazing. But I don’t really see MDMA around a lot. I was talking to a friend from back home who mentions he can get some “molly”. I’m thinking all right, finally!

I head back in that direction and we all meet up. They lay me out a decent sized line, Im not sure how much. I sniffed it and immediately noticed the powder had an oddly familiar taste and smell… I just thought it was a coincindence, I’m not sure what really pure MDMA tastes like…. Bitter? I’m waiting for it to kick in, half hour…..hour… It was like I was coming up, but I just couldn’t get “their”. My palms were sweaty, and my thoughts were hazy but I could still focus. Colors were softer. After we did another lien I was quite sure if this was real MDMA I would have taken enough to roll.

At about 4:30 in the morning maybe an hour after the last time I had used it, a pretty disturbing thought hit me. About 6 months ago I had tried some mephedrone off the internet. This crap tasted just like it. The high was just like it. And that smell, I know that smell more than anything. After the first time I tried it I could smell it for weeks afterwards.

But it just freaked me out. I’m from the middle of nowhere. Like 20 miles of farms between each town. And mephedrone, a drug 90% of the population in my state has probably never heard of is getting passed around as “molly” for 10x the price you can get a gram for on the internet. And from what I hear, people liiiiike it. Yet it seems 90% of the drug population buying it doesn’t know what real MDMA feels like…. There basically guinea pigs and don’t even know it. At least the first time I did it, I had a choice.

And if it’s here in the middle of nowhere it’s gotta be going on in a lot of other places. Im willing to bet in the next few years, you’ll be hearing the word “meph” a lot in US papers and media. This little incident inspired us to get a test kit just in case, so we can have some idea what it is.

But I certainly don’t think it’s right to give research chemicals to stupid people (yea I am stupid), passing it off as “molly” or MDMA, at prices literally 10x the internet. After it hit me it was all I could think about for a few hours. It just made me think we are really living in a new age of drug use…. Pretty soon meph wont have to be passed off as molly, just meph.

I just think RCs have so much room for error… your life.

Sorry for the long story but It really struck a nerve. Like really. I don’t have a solution but I see a problem. If it’s gettin passed around eventually someone will get caught. Then another. And another. And eventually you get a bunch of media bs about it and it’s all down hill from there. It seems like meph in particular has drawn a lot of attention to the RC market. I dunno, I just don’t like me and all my friends getting waxed with RCs fucking our brains up, maybe riskin death and not even knowing the half of it.
 
Its not some new type of mass marketing lol. I've been getting "legal highs" off the net since the late 80s when I had COMPUSERVE lol. before the times of AOL. Back then it was through newsgroups, chatrooms etc..

I don't forsee some "absurd drug act" being passed. The scheduling of a new chemical has to go through an extensive process. I can't see the government passing some type of super generalized law for all RC's...

I do agree that obviously if there was no mass marketing the chance of these rc's staying legal is a lot better, but then again a lot of us also probably wouldn't have access to them if it wasn't for the net.

Wow what legal highs were floating around the net in the late 80s? Anything that is illegal nowdays? Aside from 2C-B.
 
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