Is rebellion good? Think Rosa Parks and Satan, our Lady and Mistress.

[Gnostic Bishop]

Yes rebellion is often good as you show in your examples. In the case of Rosa Parks, Gay rights, etc, an oppressed minority was able to create change for the better.



You don't have to be mean. That kind of New Age belief system is surprisingly common where I live. There are better ways to question somebody's beliefs and comments. The only thing that's going to happen with the kind of comment you made is the thread gets derailed and after 10 pages of insults and accusations of being crazy, someone gets banned and the thread locked.

I was not being mean. I was being honest.

Our friend lives in a world of deep delusion and for us to encourage her would be wrong.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

I have just recently realized that I think jesus may have been the original antichrist. By this I mean look at all of the wars and bloodshed cast upon this world in jesus' s name. And in the same sense the idea of Satan or lucifer. Have actually brought great and positive changes to the world. If we look throughout history particularly the one antichrist we all acknowledge...Hitler. I think the world and the human race learned a more and practical lesson from him and his actions. We stopped as one race the human race and made clear his actions and ideals would not be tolerated. So his life and actions brought about more peace and unity then jesus ever could. I say all this not being any bit religious or as some may think a neo Nazi or something along those lines. I look at the lessons learned from both men and know we learned and developed more as a whole by what hitler did then by what jesus said and claimed.

Have a preview of an upcoming thread. Please opine.

Loving a condemning God is like Jews adoring Hitler. Andjust as foolish.

As above, so below.

Above.
God condemned Christians to hell and extinction.

Below.
Hitler condemned the Jews to extinction.

Expected result.
The same expected results if both plans are successful. Exceptthat God gets the bonus of the smell of burning human flesh. Um, Um, Good.Hitler was not so inclined.


The Jews know not to call evil good. They would not bend theknee to Hitler.

Christians and most of the other Abrahamic faiths, bend theknee to the God who used genocide on man and killed when the moral thing to dowas to cure. Christians and Muslims thus call evil good. I think this all beganwhen the Christian and Muslim version of Eden were called a fall. Which is thereversed of the Jewish version and is wrong.

Christians and Muslims should have usurped the moral of thestory when they usurped and altered the Jewish myths. Reading this mythliterally has been quite harmful. Remember the Dark Ages and the Inquisitions.

If, as above so below is to be the dream of religion, and itis as we are to match laws with heaven, then the near perfect analogy above ofas above so below must be brought into synch.

If you are a Christian or Muslim, please justify why you bondthe knee to a God that does not deserve that title. A Godwho would blame his own creation for his errors in creating.

The claim that your God is good does not hold water ineither the esoteric world, or in this one. Not in the literal world or thefantasy world of the Gods.

I know that you likely inherited your God and did not choosehim for yourself. You can do better. You can find a God who owns up to hiserrors and repents to his victims, as he can, if he was man enough, instead ofblaming others for his errors.

I think it time for believers to reject the genocidal Godand stop wishing for the tyranny above in heaven, --- while trying to live in ademocracy here below. Bring democracy to heaven by telling your tyrannical God whereto go.

The jury is in my friend and fellow believers. Religions areout. The tipping point is est., 2050.

God may have begun as foolish, --- Hebrews 5:8 Though hewere a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; --- but Godis almost ready to obey his better. Mankind.

Is it time to alter Christianity or will Christian let itdie? Will Christianity revive itself by returning to a more Jewish view? Afterall, the entire Bible was written by Jews.

If Jews are bright enough to reject the one who wouldannihilate them, why are Christians not following that good example and insteadlovingly bend the knee to a proven tyrant, --- while at the same time promotinga less tyrannical life here on earth?

To believe is good but to believe in a condemning God isfoolish. Do you agree?

Regards
DL

 

[socko]

Two issues: Do you think the definition of God, or at least the qualities that are associated with "God," naturally change over time and reflect the higher ideals of the masses at any given time? The genocidal violence of the OT god only reflected the world at that time. Not that we're any less bloodthirsty now, but some of us have higher standards. That combined with what those in power want the masses to believe.
By rejecting "God" and by rebelling, are you only rejecting the "higher" ideals of the masses as being outdated or barbaric?
The other one is that when somebody is delusional, I agree that it's wrong to encourage the delusional behaviour. But it's not like talking somebody down from a bad trip. You can't talk somebody down from being crazy. I'm not implying that anybody is necessarily crazy but only that their ideas are not main stream. What is delusional to you -- you're French and France is a relatively conservative country in that way, isn't it? - is relatively normal here.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Why would creating discord be good?

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Two issues: Do you think the definition of God, or at least the qualities that are associated with "God," naturally change over time and reflect the higher ideals of the masses at any given time?

I do not think they are higher ideals at all and think that the Gods are invented to fill an after death wish.

The genocidal violence of the OT god only reflected the world at that time. Not that we're any less bloodthirsty now, but some of us have higher standards.

Most non-believers do, yes.

That combined with what those in power want the masses to believe.
By rejecting "God" and by rebelling, are you only rejecting the "higher" ideals of the masses as being outdated or barbaric?

Rosa was not rejecting a higher belief and neither was Satan from what I read.

The other one is that when somebody is delusional, I agree that it's wrong to encourage the delusional behaviour. But it's not like talking somebody down from a bad trip. You can't talk somebody down from being crazy. I'm not implying that anybody is necessarily crazy but only that their ideas are not main stream. What is delusional to you -- you're French and France is a relatively conservative country in that way, isn't it? - is relatively normal here.

I am Canadian French and cannot speak for France but I understand that they are more liberal than conservative. The government there fears the people while here the people fear the governments.

French balls may be better balls if freedom is the issue.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Why would creating discord be good?

Was it good for Rosa to end the discord that the whites between themselves against the blacks?

The blacks and moral people thought so and that is why we embraced Rosa's rebellion and discord creating.

Those who wanted to keep segregation, evil people possibly, sure did not want her to rebel.

It is the same with Satan. Some think she should have left us in ignorant bliss and too stupid to even reproduce. Intelligent people will see that she did right by man.

Regards
DL

 

[nepalnt21]

if there's a "god" out there that needs us to be completely loyal without exception or criticism, that ain't no god 'tall

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

if there's a "god" out there that needs us to be completrly loyal without exception or criticism, that ain't no god 'tall

It is kind of laughable to think that a supernatural all powerful God out there somewhere, with the power to fill any need, would sit there and bemoan his need.