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Is Re-Dosing bad for you?

A gram is about 6-8 times as much as a normal person would need to have a great roll. If you took 1600mg(!!??) the last time you ate MDMA, and you still want it stronger, it couldn't have been more than 20-30% purity/potency, or else you'd have been a quivering, drooling fool the entire night and you wouldn't remember a thing. 200mg is what I'd consider a high dose, and I'd personally never consider eating more than 250mg in a night, although I've deliberately kept my tolerance as low as possible. As a result, 140-160mg seems to be my sweet spot.

I don't know whether you misstated your dosage from last time, or you're just getting unbelievably inferior product, but taking 1600mg of MDMA is just fucking stupid if it's halfway decent stuff, as is eating a gram at a time for that matter. Even .5g (500mg) is pretty retarded.

If you rolled on St. Patrick's Day, I'd say give yourself at least a couple weeks, that wasn't that long ago.
 
^lol true. I don't think the first dose is going to be particularly good for you. Why would the re-dose?

On a more serious note, yes it is considered to be bad to re-dose. Let your body recuperate, it deserves it. Also, I find I have much better experiences when I don't re-dose. You don't have to go searching when you've already found what you were looking for. When I come down from a single dose I feel happy and content rather than miserable and pissed off when I over do it.

Less is more with this drug.
 
i'm going to contribute from my personal experiences and observations. this is not scientifically concrete, this is just personal experience. i've been rolling for 10 years and gone through cycles of varying levels of abuse and also cycles of responsible usage where i was more responsible. over the past few years i always dose pure mdma hcl so there's no question what i feel is from mdma and not other drugs, so that's a non-issue. i've dosed and redosed at many various intervals and i can honestly say that today i truly believe that the bit about dosing within a few hours seems to be true. i honestly believe that dosing 200mg at once is easier on your brain than dosing 100mg then another 100mg many hours later.

there's no denying that we all know there is a window where the "magic" happens, after that window closes then mdma becomes just another shitty stimulant. Ann Shulgin did work with this in therapeutic settings in the 1980's. The outcome of her research was that supplemental doses should be taken no later than 2 hours after the first dose is given.
Reference: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_info12.shtml

i have to agree with her 100% from my personal experience. now i'm going to share 2 experiences so we can compare and contrast redosing. you'll see that one of the examples is much different in the timeframe that a similar amount of mdma was administered (over 3 days) versus the other (over 3 weeks). the one where i went 3 days in a row had, expectedly, DRASTIC effects on my mood, tolerance, sleep regulation, you name it. when i dragged a similar amount of mdma over the course of 3 weeks it was much less exaggerated as when i did it all over 3 days. i'm irresponsible, i admit it. but some of this i did partially out of curiosity regarding tolerance and made myself a guinea pig.

i've rolled 3 weeks in a row recently (last month), prior to this i had not rolled in many months. all my doses were done within the first 2 hours of the experience. the first weekend i took 300mg, the second weekend i took 300mg, the third weekend i took 400mg. this definitely took its toll on me but i managed to get through work without any problems and while my emotions were definitely exaggerated, it wasn't too bad. i have a big tolerance to mdma so don't follow my examples please. i noticed a slight increase in tolerance over the course of the weeks but nothing too severe. i didn't have to "call in sick" to work and while i had anxiety, it was manageable. the last weekend i rolled was the 3rd weekend and that was 2 weeks ago. i'm still not completely baseline but i feel decent enough where i'm not having any anxiety problems anymore.

a little over a year ago i rolled 3 days in a row, prior to this i had not rolled in a few months. the first night i took 400mg, the second night i took 600mg, the third night i took 300mg. the first night i rolled very hard, the second night i rolled but it wasn't as good as the previous night, the third night i didn't roll at all. by that i mean my eyes did not dilate, my hunger was not suppressed, it just made me feel a really weird type of fucked up, not particularly euphoric and it gave me RLS. after this i had to call in sick to work for a week because the following week was absolute hell. i felt like i was constantly on a mild LSD come-up constantly, all the time, all day, every day for the first week. my emotions were completely out of whack. going down the street to the gas station was almost a bit much, everything was too strange and surreal feeling. forget about sleep. i would go to sleep and have a horrible nightmare, i'd wake up in a state of confusion not knowing if what just happened was real or not and to be honest, i would wake up terrified. i look at the clock and see it had only been 30-40 minutes or so. i would go back to sleep only to awake in another 30-50 minutes absolutely horrified from another nightmare. i didn't want to go back to sleep because i didn't want to have more nightmares. eventually i'd get so fatigued that i'd fall asleep to another nightmare. this is the horror of significant serotonin depletion. i would wake up sweating, scared shitless in a state of panic from the nightmares. after the first week i felt significantly better, after a couple weeks i felt decent enough to where it wasn't a concern. but it took me a few months before i felt back to 100%.

those are extreme examples but you can see that one of those examples definitely did much more damage than the other. aside from those 2 examples, i've dosed once then waited until coming down then dosed again (because i was out and dosed again when i got home). several times i've dosed all sorts of ways and it's my personal belief that the window of magic for dosing is within the first 2 hours. after that, the window of magic begins to decline IMHO. eventually, when the window is closed, mdma only exhibits its stimulant properties. this speaks volumes about serotonin. there is only a certain amount available for your roll and it is only available within a certain window of time. if you continue dosing past that window or over that amount, then the primary effect of mdma is that of a dopamine agonist. remember where mdma neurotoxicity comes into play, the more dopamine that is released during an mdma session the more neurotoxicity becomes prevalent. i can vouch for just how destructive this neurotoxicity can be, you can do some real damage if you're not careful with your dosing and the frequency. my words of advice is to not do it more than once per month and when you do it, to stick with Ann Shulgins dosing schedule.

i hope the experiences i shared and everything i've put my poor brain through result in some information that is valuable to somebody.

take care
 
^ first of all I want you to know I really appreciate the insight into your experiences and the light you shed on the subject.

I had that .16 St. Patrick's day and I'm aiming for a good experience 420, I didn't notice any serotonin depletions after the last roll, no off moods, no come down. I want the best experience 420 and I want my serotonin to be ready to make that happen. I guess I'll keep my experiences with this great drug to a cherished once every 6-12 month thing.


If you paid that much, I'm guessing you took .16, not 1.6. If you had to take $160 worth to get high... 8o

.16 sounds about right for a dose though. If you rolled on St Patrick's day, you should typically wait until june to roll to avoid building tolerance / other negative side effects.

Although you could probably roll fine off .2 if you are relatively new to rolling. Just try to take 3 month breaks as a rule in between, even if you break the rule every now and then ;)

ya it was .16, it just wasn't that strong of a roll. It felt good and therapeutic. I was really able to display my intelligence and it felt great to do that. I'm normally a quiet person.
 
i can vouch for just how destructive this neurotoxicity can be, you can do some real damage if you're not careful with your dosing and the frequency

i'm going to elaborate a little bit. by this i mean i mean the negative side effects that lingered afterward were very prevalent, that's how i'm gauging the neurotoxicity. it's also my opinion that none of these negative side effects are permanent from what i can tell. i've done ridiculous amounts in the past and gone through rough patches. around 9 years ago i was doing it every weekend for approx 2 years and that took long time to get over. even after i "leveled out" emotionally, which didn't take very long, i felt jaded to everything. going from rolling every weekend to not at all, i was just kind of "eh" about everything, not depressed but i wouldn't get excited about anything really. this eventually went away and i became used to everyday life again and experienced excitement, joy, sadness, etc, once again. to be honest that transition was so slow and long that i can't say how long it took, over half a year. a lot of that was mental though because i also went from a rave lifestyle to a 9-5 work lifestyle so mdma isn't entirely to blame. even if i didn't take mdma and i went from the rave lifestyle to 9-5 i would've been dulled quite a bit, so a lot of that had to do with lifestyle change in general. that's my 2 cents, for what it's worth.
 
i'm going to elaborate a little bit. by this i mean i mean the negative side effects that lingered afterward were very prevalent, that's how i'm gauging the neurotoxicity. it's also my opinion that none of these negative side effects are permanent from what i can tell. i've done ridiculous amounts in the past and gone through rough patches. around 9 years ago i was doing it every weekend for approx 2 years and that took long time to get over. even after i "leveled out" emotionally, which didn't take very long, i felt jaded to everything. going from rolling every weekend to not at all, i was just kind of "eh" about everything, not depressed but i wouldn't get excited about anything really. this eventually went away and i became used to everyday life again and experienced excitement, joy, sadness, etc, once again. to be honest that transition was so slow and long that i can't say how long it took, over half a year. a lot of that was mental though because i also went from a rave lifestyle to a 9-5 work lifestyle so mdma isn't entirely to blame. even if i didn't take mdma and i went from the rave lifestyle to 9-5 i would've been dulled quite a bit, so a lot of that had to do with lifestyle change in general. that's my 2 cents, for what it's worth.

man, I totally get you..

I agree with you, I was in a constant rollercoaster for like a year, doing pills every weekend, then I said it was enough. It didnt take me more than a month or may be 2 1/2 month to get back to my self, but I also started doing sports again, I started to run, quite smoking, doing healthy stuff, then I got into combat sports etc etc... Now I feel everything is fine, I can roll once every 21 days, or a month or 2 months and I feel just fine (except when im coming down, that sucks!) I think doing physical activities IS A MUST. If you stay home on bad, and no sht, you are going to feel misarable for a looong ass time.
 
re-dosing, ingesting extra mdma when youre coming down/about to comedown, is pointless. by the time you get to the comedown, serotonin is practically depleted. that additional mdma you put into your system will be rendered for the most part useless. i dont even like popping and then popping an hour or so later, i like double/triple/quad dropping. thats how its done. you want the serotonin surge to be as powerful as possible, and thats how you accomplish that.
 
re-dosing, ingesting extra mdma when youre coming down/about to comedown, is pointless. by the time you get to the comedown, serotonin is practically depleted. that additional mdma you put into your system will be rendered for the most part useless. i dont even like popping and then popping an hour or so later, i like double/triple/quad dropping. thats how its done. you want the serotonin surge to be as powerful as possible, and thats how you accomplish that.

That is how YOU like it, not how IS DONE it... Your rolls will be stronger if you doble or triple pop all at once, but wont be longer. Also, you should re dose at the hour of your peak, I do agree that when you are coming down, its poinless to re dose... it helps for stimulation and for avoinding the come down though, someties, not even that though.
 
re-dosing, ingesting extra mdma when youre coming down/about to comedown, is pointless. by the time you get to the comedown, serotonin is practically depleted. that additional mdma you put into your system will be rendered for the most part useless. i dont even like popping and then popping an hour or so later, i like double/triple/quad dropping. thats how its done. you want the serotonin surge to be as powerful as possible, and thats how you accomplish that.

So if you were doing pure Molly what would your dosage be?


And what are some nutrients and herbs that are good to counteract the damage done from your body processing MDMA
 
I usually double drop, the redose 1 times with a final double drop.

I always test my beans with a kit or have another friend take one first though. I aint about to drop a heavy dose of an unknown substance. Thats just fuckin dangerous.

But I estimate the pokeballs out here in Cali prob got like 75mg MDMA, so droppin two at once is probably about 150mg if Im lucky...back in the 1990s I hear that the pills had closer to 200mg of MDMA per pill, so Im still doin less then the ravers back then...
 
^^^ check estacsy rising vid, they show the pictures of em when they first came out. They looked real big, solid white with no labels, and a convex shape, so I'd imagine 300 mg appx, and it us to be legal! I'm glad I wasnt around, I'd probably be stuck in a padded room right now xD
 
^^^ check estacsy rising vid, they show the pictures of em when they first came out. They looked real big, solid white with no labels, and a convex shape, so I'd imagine 300 mg appx, and it us to be legal! I'm glad I wasnt around, I'd probably be stuck in a padded room right now xD

ecstasy rising was a great show and is on youtube for anyone wanting to watch it. about the 300mg though, at least half of the pill's weight is binders because mdma does not press well at all and requires lots of binders. it's not uncommon for 75% of the pill to be binders. anyway if half of that 300mg pill was mdma then it'd be 150mg. i'd say that 150mg is the "sweet spot" for pure mdma. you're getting a full-on strong experience without many of the negative effects.
 
^^^ check estacsy rising vid, they show the pictures of em when they first came out. They looked real big, solid white with no labels, and a convex shape, so I'd imagine 300 mg appx, and it us to be legal! I'm glad I wasnt around, I'd probably be stuck in a padded room right now xD

there is no fucking way a single pill would conteing 300 mg of pure molly, remember that was IT! that was the synth and it was as pure as it could get... 300 mg would've have so many ppl floored that the dancefloor would've been empty... 300 mg is way too much for the commun ppl, tis even way too much for the commun raver.
 
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