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Harm Reduction Is my drug career over? (asthma)

chrisalt

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So i have asthma. Doctor told me smoking and sniffing shit is out of the question due to respitory issues. Is this true? i understand smoking but not snorting say coke. If its true that snorting and smoking is now out of the question because it will result in near death from lack of air etc my main question is what drugs can i do???

Im on benzos atm and with the respitory depression im fine???

Basically is it any drug that doesnt touch the lungs im ok??

plz help im not ready to give up drugs. Any one with asthma or anyone else with info on drugs and a ROA that would be safe for someone with asthma would be great

thanks in advance

Also if i took my drugs orally would i be ok?
 
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i was just in the ER last night because i smoke like 3 gs and had a attack.

good advice
 
no oral dosing won't affect lungs directly, nor will plugging...
directly.

I couldn't say what effect drugs have on asthma and your airways but i can't imagine there aren't any asthmatic druggies.
 
cant you vaporize weed?
I have something wrong with my bladder always have before drug use even and i find smoking a fair bit irritates the fuck out of it but vaping dont

as for the coke , im not sure on that one .
 
I can't see how using drugs orally or even plugged would have any negative effect on the lungs, presuming the drugs in question are not some horrific poison.

Did you ask your doc about other ROAs? He or she is the one with the medical training (and access to your records). But personally, I don't see it.

Just say, "Is your advice based on the need to avoid inhaling particles? Or is there something else I should know?"

I stopped smoking because of the effects on my lungs, I use oral tobacco and it definitely has no adverse effects on my lungs.

(and yes you can eat coke!)
 
Only way to know for sure is trial and error. Like anything else start small and work your way up. I have lots of friends with asthma and they all smoke snort and chase the dragon with only minor problems. Everyone is diffrent tho. Chances are you've probally had asthma for a while before you got diagnosed and you been fine so far, I think you will be good just use caution
 
Like knockando suggested, oral or rectal use shouldn't be a problem.

I am a serious asthmatic so the moment I saw the title of your thread I wanted to see how I could help. The ROA's that I've found have been the most triggering for my asthma have been insufflation and IV, especially with street drugs, but the same applies to pharmaceuticals. I've wound up in ICU about five times due to asthma triggered by heroin and cocaine.

For a while I thought what was happening was that it was actually the result of my DOC, heroin, which triggers the release of histamine. However, it didn't make sense, as NO pharmaceutical opiate has ever brought upon an attack, and once I got an asthma attack after a night of some serious intravenous cocaine use, I became convinced that the asthma was probably caused by a cut, not by the actual drug itself (though heroin/opiates definately can cause asthma). I'm pretty sure in my case this is true, because I can do certain batches of heroin for indefinite periods of time, and others will trigger attacks within a matter of days (in fact, this recently happened to me, though luckily I was able to catch it in time and treat it myself before I ended up in the ER).

Anyway, it is true, that for us asthmatics, insufflation, inhalation and intravenous drug use is the most risky. Oral and rectal use should be fine, and luckily, rectal almost always has a pretty decent BA, as high, or higher than insufflation.

Also, while CNS depressants can cause resperitory depression, IME, that doesn't mean that they are going to cause an asthma attack. Just be careful and don't overdue it with the benzodiazepines (certainly avoid mixing them with opiates, Alchohol or any other depressant.)

So in conclusion, avoid street drugs entirely, or if you're going to use them, try rectal administration. However, if the histamine release from drugs like opiates does cause you to have attacks, changing the ROA wouldn't make much of a difference seeing as histamine would be released no matter what. Of course it would be safer to plug or take the opiates orally as your still saving your lungs from pill binders etc, but you wouldn't avoid the histamine release. Also, I'll find the source later, but histamine release caused by opiates in the lungs for some reason does not respond effectively to common antihistamines like Diphenhydramine, Hydroxyzine, etc.. I believe it has to do with the fact that thoe drugs are H1 receptor antagonists while the histamine releases in the lungs by opiates occurs at the H4 receptor. I don't know the precise science of this, but I'll try to find the article I read this in and post it here later as I found it pretty interesting.

Anyway, asthma is a real bitch, and pretty damn scary. It's important to learn what triggers your attacks and avoid those things like the plague.
 
orally you should be fine but make sure to keep doses low as you're more likely to suffer respiratory depression with asthma.
 
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Like knockando suggested, oral or rectal use shouldn't be a problem.

I am a serious asthmatic so the moment I saw the title of your thread I wanted to see how I could help. The ROA's that I've found have been the most triggering for my asthma have been insufflation and IV, especially with street drugs, but the same applies to pharmaceuticals. I've wound up in ICU about five times due to asthma triggered by heroin and cocaine.

For a while I thought what was happening was that it was actually the result of my DOC, heroin, which triggers the release of histamine. However, it didn't make sense, as NO pharmaceutical opiate has ever brought upon an attack, and once I got an asthma attack after a night of some serious intravenous cocaine use, I became convinced that the asthma was probably caused by a cut, not by the actual drug itself (though heroin/opiates definately can cause asthma). I'm pretty sure in my case this is true, because I can do certain batches of heroin for indefinite periods of time, and others will trigger attacks within a matter of days (in fact, this recently happened to me, though luckily I was able to catch it in time and treat it myself before I ended up in the ER).

Anyway, it is true, that for us asthmatics, insufflation, inhalation and intravenous drug use is the most risky. Oral and rectal use should be fine, and luckily, rectal almost always has a pretty decent BA, as high, or higher than insufflation.

Also, while CNS depressants can cause resperitory depression, IME, that doesn't mean that they are going to cause an asthma attack. Just be careful and don't overdue it with the benzodiazepines (certainly avoid mixing them with opiates, Alchohol or any other depressant.)

So in conclusion, avoid street drugs entirely, or if you're going to use them, try rectal administration. However, if the histamine release from drugs like opiates does cause you to have attacks, changing the ROA wouldn't make much of a difference seeing as histamine would be released no matter what. Of course it would be safer to plug or take the opiates orally as your still saving your lungs from pill binders etc, but you wouldn't avoid the histamine release. Also, I'll find the source later, but histamine release caused by opiates in the lungs for some reason does not respond effectively to common antihistamines like Diphenhydramine, Hydroxyzine, etc.. I believe it has to do with the fact that thoe drugs are H1 receptor antagonists while the histamine releases in the lungs by opiates occurs at the H4 receptor. I don't know the precise science of this, but I'll try to find the article I read this in and post it here later as I found it pretty interesting.

Anyway, asthma is a real bitch, and pretty damn scary. It's important to learn what triggers your attacks and avoid those things like the plague.

Thanks Z this was exactly the type of response I was looking for. Just an asthmatics experiences..what a fucking bummer though. I guess I'm done with drugs....fml...just fml
 
Have athma since childhood and I have been sniffing stims for the last 8 years with no issues. I smoke cigs as well but don't smoke anything else.
I avoid smoking meth due to athma, but oral and nasal is fine and doesnt cause any issues. To clarify I have milder activity induced athma (oxidative stress linked).
If i had heavy attacks I would prob avoid any street stuff.
 
I didn't read everyones reply however i'd like to add that I have a few family members with asthma and they smoke cigs and weed (have done for many years) without any complications. I think unless your Asthma is chronic, you should be fine sniffing/smoking.

Just always have your pump(s) on you incase of emergency.
 
doctors are notoriously unrealistic when it comes to matters such as these


get a strong preventer inhaler - i use the purple seretide 125's - and use it religiously. three times a day, every day and when you use it inhale deep and hold. prevention is the key



strictly, your doc is correct.. you run the risk of making your asthma worse. whereas you should stay away from tobacco, other things in moderation are okay. the key as i said, is to get in the habit of using your preventer inhaler at least twice a day, every day - without fail
 
^Yeah, I'd (stupidly) been smoking cigarettes for almost ten years (depressing as I'm only 24), though today is my one week anniversary without the fucking things. I used to smoke weed every day as well.

Though I rarely had any problems, when I did/do have asthma attacks (which has generally been around one or two serious attacks in a year), I can only say that smoking definitely did not help in anyway.. I've been prescribed Symbicort for the maintenance of my asthma, and it really helps a lot. I would not say that even though asthmatics can smoke tobacco everyday and only rarely have attacks, that inhaling smoking is okay. You can go a long time without an attack and then have one out of the blue that nearly kills you. That's what happened to me, until I was eighteen, I hadn't had a serious (as in near-fatal) asthma attack since I was a toddler.
 
I have asthma and smoking does have a noticeably effect on me, I start coughing loads and have attacks a lot more easily on the day or a day or two after smoking, the answer is to vape. I'm not a massive fan of insuffulation as a ROA so the only time I do it is when there isn't a suitable alternative, as I don't do coke the only time thats true is for ketamine (although I am curious about oral, I've just been told it's more sedating less high inducing and requires like 3 times the amount). I haven't noticed any effect its had on my lungs/asthma but I haven't been doing it that long so who knows.

In short vaporise and you'll be fine or don't smoke weed every day, both sound pieces of advice for anyone in my book :)
 
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