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Heroin Is it worth it for me to try heroin once?

mdea said:
You may underestimate what you have to lose due to short-sightedness and make a *really* bad decision by taking heroin. (There is a swath of evidence pointing to myopic behavior in behavioral psychology and economics.)


I disagree. Humans make mistakes. Once you get addicted to heroin, you have an expected life expectancy of around 15-20 years. That's a lot shorter than with getting addicted to, say, tobacco.

You may be overconfident and misjudge how you will be able to handle heroin. You may be short-sighted and not factor in the future cost of heroin addiction (to your health, life expectancy, friendships, missed opportunities.) You may make a heuristic decision today, overlooking other options that improve your well-being. And again, the price of admission is high and today's decision may not easily be reversible.

OP, don't just think about the costs and benefits today. Think about your health and your life ten or twenty years from now. About the opportunities you may forgoe ten or twenty years from now. The risk is very high and real. Don't follow simple-minded advice to "give it a go" (Psychedelic Jay) and then decide.
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How about throwing more education out there verses just saying it's bad...

Who doesn't know drugs shorten life span? Come on, no one is that loose in the head.


See, the difference between you and I are, I feel all recreational drugs are experimental...

It is ultimately of no use to call the statement I made simple minded. Why?

There is no way to convey the feelings of any individual to another without experience. Drugs are experiences. Mistakes are also experiences.

We thrive off risk... Drugs are a risk.

To do any drug is a risk... To call heroin the ultimate crusader of addiction is just plain ridiculous...

So, if OP gets his hands on some vicodin, based on your judgment, he can pop away... It's not heroin so OP may feel it's worth it.

You can't tell anyone it's worth to them until they have experience.


You can show me a million junkies, and I can show you a million well off individuals that use everyday...


If you teach how to use correctly, the problem will ultimately lie on OP's shoulders...

And most likely if you teach them they won't fall prey to addiction.

I can't stress the scare tactics that I repeatedly see not work on people.

They want to know why, and if you don't tell them, it's automatically being etched into curiosity or is proclaimed a lie...

This is your brain on drugs.... Remember how that didn't work?
 
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It changes your brain chemistry, your personality. Maybe I'll try it once, maybe I'll use it monthly, maybe weekly, maybe I'll shoot it once. I FUCKING NEED A FIX, SHIT I HAVE TO WORK IN 2 HOURS FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK MY LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFEEEEE!
 
Occasional moderate heroin use is certainly possible. That said, those who experience euphoria from it may find that any amount builds psychological dependence. This has the potential to drag the user into daily use and physical addiction.

From my own experiences with morphine, I would say that you probably aren't missing much by not using heroin (which is very similar in its effects). I found its weaker predecessor to be an incredibly frustrating and unsatisfying experience because the strongest part of the high faded very quickly.
 
Since I can't start a new thread for tbe life of me..(prefix error). I'll post here as well as answer your question. No, its not worth it and does anyone know a quick way to actually remove brown sugar from tar?
 
Hessam said:
Some strong words here from you guys! It made me thinking that I don't need to try H even once. Last night I was reading a first-time experience on Erowid, and I realized that heroin is really a bitch, and it changes you in a big fuckin' way, even after trying ONCE! It's like you are reborn and addiction is no surprise! It's amazing and I can say "God bless Afghanistan", but not for me!
Thanks for all the comments. Great help out here. :)
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Awesome.

Yea, it's one of those drugs that is powerful enough to change your thought process.
 
spinchick said:
I iv h, use liquid oral morphine, methadone, subs, oxys, all sorts of opiates, none on a regular basis. I had a pretty bad h habit a few years ago, but after I kicked....I never let it get that bad again. I did get pretty bad with pain pills for awhile, but again, after I kicked I knew where to draw the line. I guess for me...i get addicted then don't touch it for awhile.....and I've eventually learned how to do it successfully. However....I'm not saying I'm free of vices.....I do have some daily vices that....I'm not sure I'll ever give up. But with opiates...this is my experience.
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I'm anew user of both bluelight and h. I've never I'vd but smoke it at least once a week. I've been into opiate containing pills since like 9th grade but have only had full blown withdrawal effects one time from a two week opiate binge in which I was plugging ms cottin. By like you said I feel like I learned where to draw the line. I've been smoking bth for like 2 months, like I said 1-3x a week and I just get constipated any ideas on why?
 
If you can only do it once, then absolutely the high is worth experiencing once.
The high for meth is definitely also worth experiencing once, but that statement is a very black and white view, because with trying a substance you introduce the inherent risk of developing an addiction, so you can't simply say that without having to consider the risks associated with trying a drug "just once"
 
I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm interested in this question because I really like CNS depressants in general, and I have wanted to try heroin for a long time, but I am scared to and I don't have a source for it (I'm friends with all of my suppliers of substances, and if I went asking for heroin, they would be really afraid for me and would talk me out of it.) I am not looking for it, I'm just wondering as a hypothetical situation, if I did try it, what would it be like, etc. I sort of have to live vicariously through others on this forum :)
 
I would say "no" because why risk it? Maybe you have an addictive personality and you can't just do it once.

However, I've done Oxy a bunch of times. 20 perhaps over 1.5 years? And I thought it was fine, but not as great as people were saying. So I don't do it any more (too expensive for the high that you get). I recently tried heroin (#4, snorted). Very similar to oxy. I have some #3 coming and I'll give that a go, but it's been a few months since the last time I used.

Basically I'm not that fussed - it's okay I guess, but I can take it or leave it. And I mostly leave it. If you're slamming it then you're probably in for a different story, or so I've heard.

TL;DR: some people can take it or leave it, but it's probably not worth risking it.
 
xtcgrrrl said:
I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm interested in this question because I really like CNS depressants in general, and I have wanted to try heroin for a long time, but I am scared to and I don't have a source for it (I'm friends with all of my suppliers of substances, and if I went asking for heroin, they would be really afraid for me and would talk me out of it.) I am not looking for it, I'm just wondering as a hypothetical situation, if I did try it, what would it be like, etc. I sort of have to live vicariously through others on this forum :)
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It's different for everybody, you kinda just wanna lay down, and are overcome with this warm feeling all over your body and this sense of "everything is going to be ok"
That's how it was for me, but I don't really get high on opiates like most other people.
Most other people report very powerful euphoria when smoked or IV'd and a very pleasant euphoria when insufflated.
The euphoria isn't forceful and not always obvious like stimulant euphoria.
Lots of people don't really like heroin when they first try it and it just grows on them
 
^ It's a very natural feeling euphoria, and that's what surprises a lot of people. The closest I could describe it to is kind of like an orgasm (via IV, at least). I remember when I was on it having the specific thought "how can something that feels so natural and so right be so wrong?"
 
dopemegently said:
^ It's a very natural feeling euphoria, and that's what surprises a lot of people. The closest I could describe it to is kind of like an orgasm (via IV, at least). I remember when I was on it having the specific thought "how can something that feels so natural and so right be so wrong?"
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Yeah I think "natural" is a good description. I was actually having this same discussion with a friend the other day and that word was also thrown around. Compared to heroin, other opiates have a kind of synthetic high, one very noticible especially if the person has done good heroin before.

An analogy (for any musicians out there) would be something like... a drum machine/electronic kit compared to a real drum set or a synth software guitar compared to a real one.. One is just way more natural and real sounding. You can just tell a difference.

The high from H compared to other things is like that, as well as having all the classic opiate effects which you can lookup on google.


Side note... It also of course has the added effect of almost guaranteed ruining your life.. so there's that too.. It also does that very "naturally". :\
 
Thanks for sharing, everybody :) I can just imagine that...that'll do for me. It sounds like a very calm version of Ecstasy to me...E is what I think of when I think of euphoria, only really good E, not the stuff that's cut with speed (although MDMA has speedy properties of its own.) So I'll imagine rolling, but calmly and without grinding my teeth, lol. I do miss rolling but I'm semi-permanently retired from that. There just isn't good stuff out there anymore so I guess I'm glad I was around when things were better in that respect.

If I'm wrong about how it feels do let me know. I know what regular opiates in pill form feel like but I never liked them much. I always got nauseous if I took any...
 
^^You're right there. It feels so "real" in fact, that all the other things we want from life become completely irrelevant and obsolete: sex, friends, people, family,material posessions; it all just seems so meaningless in the middle of a serious H addiction. (I don't include money there, for obvious reasons...)Then, of course, (if) you come off it, you realise how much you've lost....

^Haha yes to nausea! I've known many people who've used for the first time, puked their guts out, and sworn off it forever. You obviously seem fairly determined to try it, so just be careful and be safe. Above all, respect the drug.
Good luck to you.
 
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xtcgrrrl said:
Thanks for sharing, everybody :) I can just imagine that...that'll do for me. It sounds like a very calm version of Ecstasy to me...E is what I think of when I think of euphoria, only really good E, not the stuff that's cut with speed (although MDMA has speedy properties of its own.) So I'll imagine rolling, but calmly and without grinding my teeth, lol. I do miss rolling but I'm semi-permanently retired from that. There just isn't good stuff out there anymore so I guess I'm glad I was around when things were better in that respect.

If I'm wrong about how it feels do let me know. I know what regular opiates in pill form feel like but I never liked them much. I always got nauseous if I took any...
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Heroin is absolutely nothing like E.. and if you don't like "regular" opiates.. you're definitely not going to like heroin as it's even stronger with more pronounced side effects like nausea.
 
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