Is it possible to get a natural dopamine rush powerful enough to make your jaws torque? (chewing ones own jaws)

[JohnBoy2000]

I ask only cause it possibly happened to me?

I've had that insane DA rush on meth a few times.

Apart from the meth side effects, the elation and sense of well being is almost incomparable.

Good things happen in life and the feel-good rush is pleasant, but that insane euphoric high?

Can it be experienced outside of drug use? (meth in my case)

Bi-polar disorder, the manic phase, would that be comparable?

I'm not bi-polar myself, but recently experienced some crushing'esque anxiety/depression for some time, followed by momentary relief, and in that moment experienced a sensation for about 1 hour that felt remarkably like being on meth.

All the same behaviourisms come into effect, jaw torquing, teeth clenching, the music sounds 100x better, you could just sit and listen to it all day and be perfectly happy.

Alternately, could it be a placebo effect of some kind? Old memories temporarily coming into effect?

Or, mirtazapine which I recommenced recently at high dose, can it trigger some kind of mania/euphoria? (the next day)

Combination of all the above?

..........

Whatever it is/was, if I could incorporate that as a part of my daily life................ wow................... that would be pretty great.

"Come down" after it was quite as much of a bummer as the meth come down either, but still sucks it ended.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

I have experienced hypomania bordering on mania, or maybe it could be just called straight full HD mania. Even with no drugs present in the system, it felt often very intense, like, taking single drug could not even be comparable to it. Bad mania can totally make you trip hard, along with various physiological symptoms, like absolutely huge pupils and definitely bruxism also.

Mirtazapine can trigger mania also. I have not myself experienced clinical mania for years anymore, dunno why, I don't use preventative psychiatric medication, but it can make me feel a bit manic, in the way I interpret just being normal part of the effects of mirtazapine.

 

[Mjäll]

Yes it's natural, just think of your stereotypical idea of "crazy" or whatever. Anyone can have it happen once in a while due to extreme things. Maybe it's seen more in movies than IRL but it can and does happen in various states, mostly manic type states.

Interestingly there's a grey area of voluntary control and a kind of "fake feeling" connected to shame that acts as a barrier to such extreme facial expression during normal everyday life. This barrier is probably diminished by the contextual cultural act of drug use just as much as the symptom of bruxism itself is exaggerated by the pharma effects of the stimulant.

 

[JohnBoy2000]

I have experienced hypomania bordering on mania, or maybe it could be just called straight full HD mania. Even with no drugs present in the system, it felt often very intense, like, taking single drug could not even be comparable to it. Bad mania can totally make you trip hard, along with various physiological symptoms, like absolutely huge pupils and definitely bruxism also.

Mirtazapine can trigger mania also. I have not myself experienced clinical mania for years anymore, dunno why, I don't use preventative psychiatric medication, but it can make me feel a bit manic, in the way I interpret just being normal part of the effects of mirtazapine.

This feeling, is something you enjoyed?

I got to say, for that one hour or so I felt pretty damn awesome, like possibly the most naturally happy I've ever felt.

I'm curious if I can cause it to repeat somehow.

When I said "placebo", at the time I felt it earlier, I had JUST taken 20 mg ritalin to try and boost my mood. Almost immediately after (though quite likely co-incidentally) I got the euphoric affect (and it was just after I woke up after negotiating an extremely difficult/stressful psychological issue throughout the night).

I had taken 45 mg mirtazapine the night before (which I had been using to manage the stress/depression of said psychological issues. It had caused some restless leg syndrome, very vivid dreams, and it did not cause sleep/somnolence, which that usually does quite profoundly).

I ultimately didn't sleep until I managed to negotiate the acute psychological issue I was grappling with. I then slept 6 hours through to about 2 pm, woke up, took ritalin (cause I thought my mood would be low), then went into this euphoric state and experienced the meth'esque/euphoric bruxism/jaw-torque.

I knew it wasn't ritalin cause I've used that for years and it takes about an hour to feel it and it's typically mild. Curiously, after one hour, the "natural" euphoria I was feeling began to dissipate.

My deduction is that ritalin not only did NOT cause it, but actually interfered with it.

 

[JohnBoy2000]

Yes it's natural, just think of your stereotypical idea of "crazy" or whatever. Anyone can have it happen once in a while due to extreme things. Maybe it's seen more in movies than IRL but it can and does happen in various states, mostly manic type states.

Interestingly there's a grey area of voluntary control and a kind of "fake feeling" connected to shame that acts as a barrier to such extreme facial expression during normal everyday life. This barrier is probably diminished by the contextual cultural act of drug use just as much as the symptom of bruxism itself is exaggerated by the pharma effects of the stimulant.

Hmph.

Sounds applicable in my situation as per the above post.

I'd definitely like to be able to induce/cause it on command though.

Felt incredible, without the nasty meth sides.


Also, what movies demonstrate it?

I'd like to check out those scenes for comparison purposes.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Yeah, mania is fun until it turns just dysphoric.

 

[JohnBoy2000]

Yeah, mania is fun until it turns just dysphoric.

That's what you would say that was?

Mania?

Timeline sound about right?

1 hour and then, yeah, I guess dysphoria.

But dysphoria I could handle if it meant I could repeat the euphoria part.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

What I had was definitely clinical mania, episodes could last days and the pattern repeated many times, I took it down with quetiapine and then it repeated after a week or two or maybe just few days sometimes.

What I don't understand, it hasn't really repeated since then or before that, at least not in the same scale.

I was having it pretty bad with amphetamine, I have not also abused the stuff in same scale before or after.

 

[JohnBoy2000]

What I had was definitely clinical mania, episodes could last days and the pattern repeated many times, I took it down with quetiapine and then it repeated after a week or two or maybe just few days sometimes.

What I don't understand, it hasn't really repeated since then or before that, at least not in the same scale.

I was having it pretty bad with amphetamine, I have not also abused the stuff in same scale before or after.

So, was it enjoyable initially?

And then it became like, "okay, need to chill out now".

For me what it felt was just elation.

Not sure I could handle it for days but certainly a few hour sessions would be welcome.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Yes.

Of course I like to be tripping and stimulated and euphoric, but it is really, really unapplicable to any goal-oriented functioning. Can't sleep, can't self-regulate, just relentless blabbering and hysteric laughing, ruining finances in split second decisions, repeating to myself "even if jumping under the train feels good idea, it is very bad idea", feeling of approaching insanity...