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is being a feminist ruining my life? experiences with rape, sex, oppression

brd600

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Hi, I'm an attractive 25 year old college student. Not the most beautiful woman in the world, but I get a lot of attention from guys. However, I have feminist views that seem to be driving everyone crazy, and they also seem to be bringing me to a dead end as well.

I just can't shake the knowledge that historically and presently women are viewed as sexual objects when it occurs WITHOUT respect to them. I don't have a problem with it when a woman seems to want it, but I feel so cheapened by the way men look at women instinctively. I feel like to them, we are nothing but bodies. This also reflects most of my sexual experiences. My early experiences consisted of "lets just try out some sex" encounters, which resulted in a lot of one sided pleasure (for the guy) and my general despair that sex is not all its cracked up to be. I was also date raped twice.

I feel like that negatively affected me. I became very promiscuous and felt determined to reprint my sexual experiences as something positive, and I have with two boyfriends. But in my head I still feel hostile to the idea of having sex with a guy, When I look back, I still feel disempowered by them and sexually insulted. It's honestly deterred me from wanting to seek new sexual experiences. Thinking about sex with a new man... makes me feel anxious, depressed, and angry. I feel like my real feelings are an unattractive burden and a shameful secret. I feel like no one will really want to love me the way I am. I also feel like these experiences have defined me however, and I don't know how to build a new sexual identity.

In attempting to build a new identity, I have now cut myself off from men and sex entirely since I broke up with my ex a month ago. Our relationship was based on sex, not love, and it ended because I realized he didn't love or appreciate me, and I didn't like the sex anymore the way I had used to. I know a month is not really any time, but I have never felt this way before. I feel like this decision is detrimental to my ability to preserve myself so that in the future I might feel sexually open again. Sometimes I still yearn for contact with men, but the feeling that I have never had my most important needs met or feelings accepted quickly turns any longing I feel into sadness. Plus I just feel guilty about my feelings anyways.

For my entire life since my first experiences I have felt guilty, for years I tried to change my feelings or find someone else to accept my feelings and could not. Now I feel like I have finally accepted my own feelings, and accepted the fact I have to keep to myself, and I feel okay with it except in one major respect. I feel like a failure. I feel like I am a poorly adjusted individual (woman in particular), and that I've failed myself and my sexuality which has brought me to this point. However, I do not entirely despair. I recognize that this is a chance, and may be my last chance, to rejuvenate myself so that I can feel sexually happy for the first time in my life.

The only kind of sexual activity I feel good about is masturbating. In fact, it's the only thing that helps me feel better sexually. I feel safe there, I don't feel judged, I don't feel objectified or imposed on, and I feel like I can just exist alone in my own sexual hell, which is full of terrible fantasies and then the sad but beautiful realization that I need to love myself. I also think about nice things with guys, but all the nice stuff seems to seriously be about cuddling and looking into each others eyes, never the sex. The sex seriously always seems to have a bit of a fucked aspect to them.. Being by myself feels pretty well like the only situation that can help me heal. Even the thought of kissing or hugging a guy makes me think of crying, because exposing how I feel to a man on an intimate level scares me and makes me feel like a failure for having such a sadness inside of me. I can orgasm fine. I've recently began to feel pleasure in my g spot and have those kind of orgasms, and before it was numb for years and for the past 2 or 3 years felt painful to the touch.

This brings me to the point about my public relations and how being a feminist is ruining things for me. Although I feel like a failure, I feel like I was set up for failure by society. I feel very disempowered by my sexual experiences, and any media or referrals to a disempowered sexual woman seems to open up the wounds inside of me, and this is troubling because I see this EVERYWHERE. In many cases it is presented as pleasurable, pleasurable for men only. And when I see a woman being abused and men enjoying it, I can hardly describe the sickness and oppression I feel. Sometimes it is presented as the woman enjoying her own pain, and for years this severely confused and traumatized me, because I was convinced that women like this have internalized the abuse men want to give them through sex, and they have turned this pain into pleasure. I do believe this is true, but realize now that for some people this is what sexual pleasure is about. In fact, I have experienced this pleasure myself. With my ex we would have very crazy porno style sex, and I genuinely enjoyed it. But then it began to leave me feeling empty and like nothing but a body. And I feel like this is the kind of sex that society readily offers to me - a million and a half chances everywhere I look to be valued as no more than my body and my animalistic sexual responses, which honestly just encourages me to feel disassociated with my own body and sexual responses in ways these days. And yet, even the opposite, sex with love scares the shit out of me. I don't feel comfortable handing anyone the tatters of my broken insides hoping that they will love me anymore, and I've been trying to do this for years. Guys have cared, but never fully. And I'm starting to realize I don't want them to fully care anyways, I honestly feel like the way I am is just a rip off to anyone who is looking for a happy woman.

Anyways, back to my public relations. I'm very open about my views on sexual inequality and feel very little support from people as a whole. I feel like most people have an entirely individual experience of sexuality, and don't nearly tie their own experiences to the power constructs of society or oppression. I feel like a rarity in that I feel so negatively affected by these systems, yet I know that statistically I am not. I believe that the world is shitty because of male dominated values of the patriarchy (competition, control, bloody sacrifice, rape, sedentary lifestyles,) and masculinity (strength, determination, rationality, science, virility, aggressiveness)... I truly believe these things are ruining everyones lives, even other mens. This is simply because seriously, the structural unconscious that governs all our lives operates on a philosophical thought that is closely associated with our language in the form of binary oppositions - essentially opposites. All the female gender role attributes (compassionate, nurturing, passiveness, nature) are opposites of the masculine ones, and are ALWAYS depreciated and devalued in the contexts of our greater society. Ask yourselves, what is the point of the world? Is it the masculine values or the feminine ones? Recognizing this does not mean I believe that every man and woman behaves with respect to traditional gender roles, WHAT I ACTUALLY want to say is - the world is governed by the masculine ones only! I often point to the fact that men and masculine evalues are often negatively associated, and in many cases are one and the same, I fully acknowledge that women can embody these values and be just as terrible.

However, one thing remains - men are sexually evil towards women in ways that women are ever so scarcely sexually evil in any way shape or form. Of course women abuse children, other women, and men. But 90% of sexual assault perpetrators are men. Most importantly, men seem to seriously believe that women were created for their sexual enjoyment, and that if they don't actually know a woman, then they NEVER have to feel bad about using her for sexual stimulation. That to me, blatantly points out the truth to me - men use women for their own sexual pleasure... the worst truth I have ever had to accept and that I cannot shake. I understand there is a pleasurable aspect to that, and I like it when a man is turned on, but for me it depends why more. Also when I determine that he feels that way without any compassion for the woman who inspired that feeling in him.... I really feel hurt by that.

I seriously am finding it increasingly difficult to get over this, and it's been 9 years since I was raped and had my first bad experiences. It's great that I'm experiencing greater physical sensations and that I feel a genuine urge to reconnect with myself, but I am worried that the aspect of myself that has me feeling cut off from men... is a new thing that might not ever go away. I constantly feel angry at the idea that anyone would want to have sex with me and immediately identify that their interest is based on the fact that I'm smart, interesting, good looking, opinionated, and therefore I must be a good time - no, I am not a good time, I am not sexually happy, I am not sexually interested, I am sexually offended and angry, and I just want the world to accept this. I also have a lot of reason to assume that they will not fully be able to accept my real feelings about sex or society, as this has been a feature of every relationship I have ever been in. I genuinely feel that the world does not want to accept a woman's sexual hurt or anger, ESPECIALLY when it is directed intentionally and openly towards patriarchal culture, which I believe is the direct cause of women's sexual oppression (as well as all oppression). I am voiced about this, and receive backlash and am told I am a man hater essentially. It just seems like there is absolutely no room in society for my level of pain and conviction, even though my experiences are REAL and I feel like they deserve a validated place in reality.

People are starting to view me as a heartless angry bitch I feel. I have very good friends that I've had forever, but I'm starting to feel like my level of being stuck in my misery will begin to test my friendships, especially with males. I also cannot fathom dating any of the great guys I do know, because I don't want to burden them with my sadness, reveal how I feel, and then lose a friend. It's just so much easier to try this out with guys who never meant anything to me before we dated, because truly, being abandoned by someone that actually loves me as a person and being defined by them as too sick to love, would seriously fuck me up.

I know that I should take care to find someone who has genuine care for me if I allow anyone to touch me or be with me. I understand that I've got to love myself, and I do, in order to heal. But that I have to continue to, and never hope that anyone else can make my pain or fears go away.
I think I have great chances at awesome happiness especially if I go and see someone. I have never spoken to anyone professional about being raped or my sexual experiences. When I was 16 my parents sent me to psychologists because I was getting kicked out of school/running away and I simply never admitted to them what I was going through. But I am considering seriously doing so now these days just to get help, because I feel like its abusive to myself to put so much pressure on myself, and also to others who really don't know how to help me.

As for healing sexually, I think being by myself is the answer. I would like tips on how to not feel irritated at the thought of having sex with guys though. I feel like it's a natural urge and it sucks to be pissed off or sad when I think about it... or to honestly feel angry when a guy compliments me on certain days..

My question is, Why can't people relate with me when it comes to awareness about sexual inequality? Is it, or is it not real? Why do people react so negatively to my associations of it to male abuse when really, usually these crimes are committed by men. Not to mention rape is a part of war... rape happens all the time, prostitutes are basically just women for men to abuse, its often filmed, and the common porno script is no better. When it comes to sexual oppression I'm certain masculine values and usually men are the ones causing it, but the real question is this - Is it, or is it not a problem? I feel like most women and men ignore the sexual oppression of women, I don't feel like I can, and I feel like it is driving people away from me.
 
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I read all of it... Only things I would add is that there's nothing wrong with being a strong independent woman, but you aren't going to find many people that sympathize with your views blaming men for everything. I could easily say that all women are heartless bitches that enjoy leading guys on only to break their heart, but I know that's not true about all of them, at least I hope not. It sucks you got raped, that's something no one should have to go through but by staying miserable for 9 years you're only giving in to what the perpetrators wanted. To take your power away. My best advice would be to seek counseling. I don't think you want to go the rest of your life like you are. It's easy to see why your thinking is the way it is, but not all men are evil rapists seeking to oppress women.
 
To me your attitude towards life seems way too cynical and imbalanced. Its similar to someone who only says and feels, "The world is a cesspool. The strong oppress the weak, we are running out of natural resources, human-caused climate change will cause mass starvation, and we are abusing other species so much that billions of innocent animals are constantly under torture." All this is absolutely true. But it's far from all there is. There is also beauty, innocence, laughter, and love in the world. In perhaps an equal measure to all the bad stuff. If you only concentrate on the bad, then you're missing all the good. Obsessively concentrating on the bad seems like a neurosis that calls for therapy with a competent psychologist, or even a kind of mental illness. I'm not saying this in a judgmental way. But you are so focused on the negative side of human sexuality and male sexuality that you are separating yourself from the rest of society and making yourself miserable. I've seen this in other people a number of times, i.e. constantly focused on the bad. You have to get out of this somehow before your life passes you by without your getting to enjoy it.

Looking at sexuality specifically, there's the bad (all the stuff you said: rape, abuse, bad sexual experiences, the oppression of women) but there's also tons of good that you're missing. Think of all the men who would lay down their lives for their wives or girlfriends. All the men who slave away at terrible jobs to support their family. Or who go to war to protect the their family's freedom to live without being conquered. There's so much love out there that you're missing.

And it's true, men can be animals. Because we are all animals. It's normal for men to look at you with sexual desire (or with disinterest). It's just nature. Oppression and physical assault are not a natural part of that, any more than wanting a nice car or a meal means it's ok to steal a car or hurt someone to get food. There's a line between what's natural and what's abusive and monstrous. I think you need to start making a distinction between those.
 
And it's true, men can be animals. Because we are all animals. It's normal for men to look at you with sexual desire (or with disinterest). It's just nature. Oppression and physical assault are not a natural part of that, any more than wanting a nice car or a meal means it's ok to steal a car or hurt someone to get food.

IDK... I doubt cavemen asked their women if they wanted to have sex lol. Otherwise you hit the nail on the head tho. One can either spend all of their energy focused on what's fucked up in the world, or have a more balanced view of both the negatives and the positives. Personally for me most of the time I just live in my own little world and don't give a fuck about anything else. :\
 
Hey 600.. It sounds like you have some things to heal from in regard to the date rapes and I would consider seeing a counselor who specializes in this.

You may also think about distinguishing between sex and other parts of life.. after all a woman can be a sex object if she desires, as well as a respected professional, a great mother, and a world leader.

Also given your age and the demographic of college you are currently in I would hesitate to judge all of mankind on the immature men you seem to be in allot of contact with.. There are great men out there and you can find them.. so if you want to share where you have been looking maybe some people can point you in another direction.
 
My gf is a self-declared feminist. That didn't stop us getting involved. She also has a similar "background" to the one you have described.

One may endorse feminst philosphy (ideas, beliefs, agendas for action etc.), without being a feminist.

Not all men are assholes - find one that treats you with respect, if that is your desire; or keep masturbating; or combine the two ;)
 
its not like i have any data supporting this conjecture, but i get the impression that most women who self-identify as "feminists" have either 1) been raped, or 2) been otherwise treated like shit by men in their past. the whole worldview seems like a reaction to past trauma. its definitely not indicative of a healthy, psychologically well-adjusted female.

op, it sounds like you might be able to benefit from some type of psychotherapy.
 
its not like i have any data supporting this conjecture, but i get the impression that most women who self-identify as "feminists" have either 1) been raped, or 2) been otherwise treated like shit by men in their past. the whole worldview seems like a reaction to past trauma. its definitely not indicative of a healthy, psychologically well-adjusted female.

I think that's definitely an accurate conclusion. Seems like a lot of lesbians also had bad past associations with men. That gives me an idea for a thread actually.
 
Not every guy wants to rape you or be violent with you in the bedroom - it's up to you to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Honestly, OP, a lot of your anger seems to be just directed at society in general - you almost seem angry that men and women are supposed to have sex. And you seem literally obsessed with how men look at women as sexual objects. Well, I'm not trying to be rude, but you do understand that women (obviously) look at men as sexual objects, too, right? Brad Pitt, Bradley Cooper, that dude in the 'Thor' movie, they're all males who are sexual objects to women (and gay guys)! Also, women can easily look at other women as sexual objects - watch the series 'The Real L Word' and you'll see that many women look at female one night stands the exact same way that men do.

Also, what about that 'Magic Mike' movie starring Channing Tatum? Sure seemed like guys were being exploited as sexual objects by paying women customers there...the point? All people are sexual objects. At least, the vast majority - if you're asexual, that's cool, find platonic friends then...

It's all perspective and figuring out that your experience is only part of a limited, individual perspective.
 
i strongly recommend counseling to deal with your past traumas. this sounds more like PTSD than feminism.
 
I would recommend therapy (not necessarily psychiatry, but just a therapist who will talk and listen to you) because you have lots of things which a good therapist would be able to pick, let the wound bleed, then let the wound heal. And some things which absolutely need therapy and will take more than a simple blood letting session resolve, like your date rapes.
There's a lot of perfectly natural anxieties regarding sex, but I think you're over playing them to the point where you get into a vicious feedback loop of cynicism, lashing out, and masturbation is your only solace. There's nothing wrong with masturbation, but it's nice to have the choice, and a decent choice at that.

You seem to be angry at society, yet paralyzed by its effects to the point where you just subsist upon your own self-defeating thoughts. You seem to be coming from a place of just endless complaints which you've not done anything to try and change. This isn't attractive because no one likes dealing with an angry person, and no one can solve the socioeconomic problems you seem to want to bring up to everyone in the bedroom. So your energy in this area is impotent and wasted (not to say it's without merit, but you don't know enough about the world to be jumping to any severe conclusions). You, nor I, nor anyone, knows enough about the world to speak of "shoulds" and "shouldn'ts" with regards to how everything ought to be.

Also, as a woman, I would think you would be understanding when people have hormones making decisions for them because once the belly trembles, the blood starts flowing (stirring in the loins, one might say), I have to be very careful not to just operate in horny robot mode, and certainly there are guys who don't try to temper themselves. Guys do absolutely look at women in terms of attractiveness, but any decent guy will quickly move past looks, and it's your personality which matters. A girl who could pass for Barbie is UGLY if she is a moron. I know not all guys are like me, but if I can't talk to you, or relate to you at all, on any level, then you quickly fade into the background. Intelligence is sexy, and it can make an ugly girl HOT if she's got enough of it, and knows how to use it. Wasting a first date going down the long list of bullet points on the political agenda isn't necessarily the best use of your perfectly well functioning brain.
 
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