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is AH 7921 stronger than kratom

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ldawg616

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just wondering, im looking for rc opiates and i found this one and it says stuff like its highly addictive...do yall know of anything stronger than this? And again is it stronger than kratom
 
Yes they are, but not mainstream rc's anymore.

A simple google search will help you on your way.

Look high and low and don't give up, it's how I find mine.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
Yes they are, but not mainstream rc's anymore.

A simple google search will help you on your way.

Look high and low and don't give up, it's how I find mine.
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Could you mention one or two of them instead of putting us on a hunting mission? It's not against the rules to mention research chemicals, you're not telling us where to get them, just what they are.
 
MT-45 <mixed agonist-antagonist 80% the strength of morphine with possible NMDA antagonist effects.

W-15 < approximately 5.4x more potent than morphine

W-18 < that is way too strong to be practically and safely used...

You most likely wont find any of the w series anymore.

MT-45 is still in some places...
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
MT-45 <mixed agonist-antagonist 80% the strength of morphine with possible NMDA antagonist effects.

W-15 < approximately 5.4x more potent than morphine

W-18 < that is way too strong to be practically and safely used...

You most likely wont find any of the w series anymore.

MT-45 is still in some places...
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Thank you. I never knew there were opioid research chemicals. Apparently MT-45 is a piperazine derivative, that's very unsettling.
 
fuck and here i was excited. I found sites to some of those other chemicals but dont really trust them. All of the anti spam sites say stuff like "this is a new site with no feedback" so idk man i sure would like to get my hands on some of this stuff
 
ldawg616 said:
fuck and here i was excited. I found sites to some of those other chemicals but dont really trust them. All of the anti spam sites say stuff like "this is a new site with no feedback" so idk man i sure would like to get my hands on some of this stuff
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Ask Psychedelic Jay. Just because it's a derivative doesn't mean it will have the exact same effects. For example, MDMA is an amphetamine and the effects are completely different than Dextroamphetamine or Levoamphetamine. This is because of the different mechanism of action on the brains neurotransmitters.
It's possible that MT-45 doesn't act like a piperazine at all. That's why I said it was unsettling, it's not something I would be willing to test out on my own. I've taken Piperazine adulterated ecstasy before and it's the worst feeling in the entire universe.
 
i've looked into mt-45 quite a bit, it's not a pipe like feeling like when you take a bad E pill. Nothing at all like that, it's just an okay opioid with some NMDA activity but not enough to make it good.

There are still others, there's the odd vendor that still has o-desmethyltramadol and other opioids; don't ask me for sources, should be easy to find if you are resourceful, if not you shouldn't play with RC opioids, some of them are too strong to be used by people without the proper equipment and knowledge to be safe.

there are other NMDA antagonists with significant opioid activity, they may be worth looking at ie. PCE, PCP analogs

then there are fentanyl analogues; butyr fentanyl, bromadol and still a few more i can't remember - most of those are pretty hard to get unless you've been around for a long ass time. Same goes for the w-series they are around but hard to find.

also seen tapentadol and tramadol itself out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piperazine#Piperazine_derivatives_as_drugs not a great list of drugs but it at least shows u that pipe doesn't mean it's a horrible drug lol. I was going to get some mt-45 but too many mixed reviews, sounds like shit.
 
RobotRipping said:
i've looked into mt-45 quite a bit, it's not a pipe like feeling like when you take a bad E pill. Nothing at all like that, it's just an okay opioid with some NMDA activity but not enough to make it good.

There are still others, there's the odd vendor that still has o-desmethyltramadol and other opioids; don't ask me for sources, should be easy to find if you are resourceful, if not you shouldn't play with RC opioids, some of them are too strong to be used by people without the proper equipment and knowledge to be safe.

there are other NMDA antagonists with significant opioid activity, they may be worth looking at ie. PCE, PCP analogs

then there are fentanyl analogues; butyr fentanyl, bromadol and still a few more i can't remember - most of those are pretty hard to get unless you've been around for a long ass time. Same goes for the w-series they are around but hard to find.

also seen tapentadol and tramadol itself out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piperazine#Piperazine_derivatives_as_drugs not a great list of drugs but it at least shows u that pipe doesn't mean it's a horrible drug lol. I was going to get some mt-45 but too many mixed reviews, sounds like shit.
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Wow, that's a lot. There's an RC version of Fentanyl? Damn, you'd have to have balls to fuck around with that.

You see Tramadol out there because in Canada it's legal to manufacture and posses without a prescription. It's just that pharmacies don't generally hand it out unless you have one. They could if they wanted to. Don't know why our law is like that.
Tramadol is not listed in the Controlled Drugs and Substances Regulation nor does it require a prescription under Schedule F of the Food and Drugs Regulations
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Nowhere near as strong as good kratom in my experience. I found propoxyphene more pleasurable than AH-7921. Virtually zero effects whether you swallow it or do it sublingual. YMMV.

On that note, I'd much rather see weak opiate RC's than super-strong ones that kill everybody (fentanyl analogues, anyone?)
 
Propoxyphene is poison, and no one should use higher doses of it to get high at alll.

You endanger yourself more and more each time you take it.

It will inflame your intestines and fuck up your heart.


Half of the opiates mentioned will never see the light-of-day anymore...

I do know for a fact that Real MT-45 and AH-7921 are being sold still.

As for the more potent ones, it is very hard to acquire them if you don't know where to look. (Google searching)
 
hey jay they say you can have a seiseur on these pills and im on neruontin, could i take a benzo with it to reduce the risk of a seisure? What are the other major bad effects if ou dont mmind me asking?
 
you can but it's kind of a stupid risk to take when other opiates are pretty easy to acquire. I wouldn't recommend anyone to do the same with tramadol either; it's really just not worth it.

Propoxyphene can cause seizures, for a weak ass opioid it's not worth the risk IMO; can't be that hard to find some morphine or even codeine instead.
 
Never took propoxyphene in 'recreational' doses, nor did I enjoy it. Just saying that a single pill of it was more psychoactive (for me) than AH-7921. Actually I found both totally placebo-level in that regard. Everyone's different though.
 
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