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Is ADD a "disorder"

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Well that's one way to look at it. But what if someone thinkings they have ADHD, but there is no evidence of it from the outside? And how many "ADHD kids" think they have a problem? Surely you've seen those TV shows where they get really naughty kids, then the "expert" comes up, and a week later, the kids are perfectly behaved? How can you tell the difference between a kid like that and ADHD? Maybe someone skilled can, but the mom who thinks their kid has a problem, probably can't.
 
AD[H]D is a real mental disorder, hate it or luv it. It's this simple, if a person feels "high" off the meds then they fakin it but if the meds treat a persons symptoms without a feeling of real euphoria [@ tha rite dose...] then they have AD[H]D most likely. Also, u don't have to be born with it to really have it as mines started up in the middle of 6th grade [ADD, inattentive type] -n- couldn't spot the problem until 9th grade when I got treated after already failing 7th grade once in all GT classes which before I was diagnosed I really couldn't understand why I couldn't focus/sustain attention in most mental activities. I myself do also think meds are being overprescribed as peeps being misdiagnosed/fakin it to get stims for recreation which pisses me off mostly having the disorder fo'real fo'real. These ADD scammers give the whole disorder -n- it's method of treatment a bad stigma which can lead to peeps dispelling it as a real mental health issue. ADHD -n- ADD I find can be very different disorders as ADHD can be physical [tics, inability to stay still, behavior probs, ect...] -n- is usually more present in younger kids as ADD [inattentive type] is more mentally [unable to maintain attention on subject, racing thoughts, hard to stay focused as u space in -n- out -n- all about, ect...] troubling -n- seems to me to be more prone to young adults/adults as it can start out of nowhere around those times. AD[H]D like most other mental disorders, the symptoms can vary from person to person along with their severity of symptoms. Sayin ADD is bull is like sayin Panic Disorder is as well -n- I can speak from experience of horrible panic [heart attack like symptoms] to where I end up passin out as I have many times. There really isn't a reason for panic as it's random -n- same with ADD as u don't know why u can't function normally -n- is a vicious cycle when not treated without knowing the problem in the first place. Sry for the ramble-ish but izz wutever..... Holla....
 
Well, I was diagnosed with it, and I think there is something to be said for its existence. I think the best description I ever heard of it involved going on to Wikipedia for some reason. You look up something only to find something interesting in the middle related to it. So you go to that page and the same thing happens, and it happens over and over until you've forgotten what it was you came to do in the first place. I cannot tell you how many times I've done that compulsively. It being a disorder, however, is a societal construct in my opinion
 
Can someone explain to me how SNRIs possibly work on people who have ADD with (limited) success? Things such as wellbutrin and strattera. I was under the impression you couldn't get "high" from them.
 
Nope... but what does getting high have to do treating a disorder? Wellbutrin isn't a SNRI, it's a DRI. Strattera (atomoxetine) is though.

The idea is that there is limited dopamine transporter activity in certain parts of the brain, frontal cortex etc... and that dopamine is taken up via the noradrenaline transporter in these areas. So blocking the transporter with an SNRI bosts dopamine in specific areas...

It's a nice bedtime story... if it was true, there have been SNRIs, and NRIs around for a while, how come people don't use them much? (Actually there are positive clinical trials for the tricyclic antidepressants, but still, (Read: drug companies selling hard)).
 
i'm older, 53. I've always had a problem with attention span, in the inattention, low energy model. I get tired of the ADD arguments. I have some symptoms, some of dysthymia, some of avoidant personality disorder....all of it attempting objective descriptive accuracy in terms of surface behavior....but aside from that, worthless when trying to find a med that works....fuck the terms, ADD, Bipolar, all of them....I'm simple, my problem was simple, I couldn't stay awake for sustained periods, I was drowsy when I should have been more alert, so i fucked up a lot of things in life other people didn't fuck up at, for like 40 years....i have near genius IQ and dead batteries, that's me....i was on dexedrine for a year, finally some fucker gave me it, and i had the best year of my life, but i admit i liked it too much....better than 20 years of bullshit SSRIs that just....fuck i don't know what they did, really....now i take modafinil, and that seems to be the magic bullet, after fifty years....you go in, they don't take your blood, they don't scan your brain, they listen to you "try" to describe what it's like to be you, and they choose one of two or three meds that aren't going to work and won't go out of the box, that's the "science" of psychiatry, the only branch of medicine whose therapy fails 98% of the time....i got no problem with amphetamine, and is ADD overdiagnosed? man, who cares, why do you care? if somebody wants the speed because it beats the monotony of the genetic cards you got dealt, leave them alone....i could have used a few more years on it, a lot earlier too....parting words....a mood disorder is a disease when you, the patient, clearly sense your quality of life could definitely be improved with some kind of therapy, drug, counseling,whatever, and if everyone around you is saying "Oh you're just a disorganized mess, just snap out of it" just walk away from them, try not to give em the finger....
 
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Nope... but what does getting high have to do treating a disorder? Wellbutrin isn't a SNRI, it's a DRI. Strattera (atomoxetine) is though.

The idea is that there is limited dopamine transporter activity in certain parts of the brain, frontal cortex etc... and that dopamine is taken up via the noradrenaline transporter in these areas. So blocking the transporter with an SNRI bosts dopamine in specific areas...

It's a nice bedtime story... if it was true, there have been SNRIs, and NRIs around for a while, how come people don't use them much? (Actually there are positive clinical trials for the tricyclic antidepressants, but still, (Read: drug companies selling hard)).

I was just thinking that it wouldn't actually do anything for people who didn't have ADD since amphetamine help you concentrate whether or not you have ADD.

So, in short your saying that it doesn't really work and the trials and such showed no improvement but the drug companies are pushing them regardless?
 
No, the drugs work. I don't know whether they work better or worse than amphetamines, though I suspect they're not as good.

The point is, who ever makes atomoxetine can charge lots for it, as opposed to tricyclic antidepressants which anyone can sell and cost fuck all to make. So they give big prescribing pedatricians free pens, and note books and travel to "conferences" etc etc...


[EDIT]Actually, that's not entirely fair, as atomoxetine is without the antihistamine sedation action that all the tricyclics have, and venlafaxine might still be in patent[/EDIT]
 
Some kids are basically diagnosed by their teachers and their school. They are deemed as unruly and hyperactive in class. The kids are quickly diagnosed by answering a few questions, and are immediately prescribed amphetamines. After diagnosis, some schools will not allow these kids to attend school unless they are medicated

Having been an elementary teacher for 10 years, with a master's and certified in three states, I have to say this is absolutely not true in any school or area I know of (and I have taught on both US coasts, can't imagine state laws differ all that much). So I feel safe in saying this is crap. Teachers can NOT diagnose a student with any learning disability, period. That's completely ridiculous to think. They can refer them for school testing, which then needs to be backed up by outside psychiatric evaluation and testing to be actually legally diagnosed and classified, especially when it comes to medicating.

Furthermore, no public school can withhold an education from any student because they are not taking medication for ADD, trust me I have known a few parents who do not want the meads they were recommended/prescribed (by their doctor, even after diagnosis) and there is nothing you can do about it. Again, this is ridiculous bullshit that you, I am guessing, are assuming goes on in a school. If you have witnessed this or experienced then, then I can only believe there were factors you are unaware of. A school can not force parents to take the steps required to even see if a child needs medication, even after testing and evaluations may prove that it would be helpful. Even if that child is formally diagnosed with any condition, medication cannot be forced upon them. A school can suspend, even expel a student for continuous extreme behavior issues, but that would happen no matter who the student is, ADD or not.

The parents have complete control and no child will be legally documented on paper without complete parental support and approval EVERY STEP of the way. A teacher can not even get the ball rolling if a parent is against it. If testing does find a child has ADD, you still need parental approval to do anything about it at school (ie. special resources, pull-out classes, etc.) If they don't want it, you can give it. The process is not so simple and can take months, even years without cooperation and/or good resources.

I have seen parents completely refuse to believe their child has any sort of problem just because they don't want them labeled and their child suffers through years of class, learning nothing, at times complete disasters, and their is NOTHING we can do. It is completely frustrating because the child is the one who suffers. And yes, if you truly have seen one with ADD, it is suffering, when ignored. It is amazing what the right dose of medication can do for a young child's progress, not that it is the only answer, but I know first-hand that it is the right one at times.

It is terribly "over diagnosed" (especially by those who say they have it yet have never even been to a single doctor, but feel they are hyper and can't stay focused so they must have ADD, which is really much more than that), but it does exist and it's not just hyper kids, who are spoiled, can't sit still, little brats. You learn to spot the differences. In my actual classes I have had three, in ten years. Yes they maybe were a pain in the ass, but so are many other kids, many more so than them (my worst behavior problems have not been my ADD kids). Many ADD children are actually quite withdrawn in the classroom and not classic "behavior" problems. With actual ADD, they need real intervention (meds are not the only one either) to help them be successful and feel happy with their education and themselves at school.

Sorry this is so long and not quite about the original post but that part of the reply just pissed me off!
 
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Amen. ADHD *is* voraciously overdiagnosed, which leads to silly argument like this.

But make no mistake, it is a real, biological disorder. As has been pointed out earlier in the thread, those who don't "believe" in ADHD almost certainly do not know or are not close with anyone suffering from ADHD.

ADHD is a "social disease" like epilepsy is a hiccup.
 
^ How do you know? How are you defining what a "real biological disorder" is. Is Social Conduct Disorder a "real biological disorder"? How about OCD? This thread is just people spouting opinions. Closed.
 
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