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Introverts, Intellectuals, 'Counter-Cultures', and their Relationships with Drugs

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I wanted to entertain this topic because this is something I have thought about quite extensively. I have come to the conclusion that there is a certain "plane," if you will, that introverts and intellectuals are on that lead them to experiment with drugs/seek out other people that experiment with drugs. I mean this in the least pretentious way possible; my friend just happened to come down this past weekend and we had some really invigorating discussions about pop culture, politics, current affairs, etc. All the while I am thinking about how we both have a desire to experience life in an altered state of mind every so often. Our personality types are INTJ (me) and ENTP respectively, although he is more in the middle and says he doesn't think of himself as one or the other. We also both have a degree of situational depression due to observations about social and political culture that we deem undesirable and too dominant.
I feel like there are a select percentage of people that think very deeply about cultural norms and are particularly opened minded to the use of narcotics to evoke new sensory and spiritual experiences. I looked up statistics on drug use at various colleges and noticed that the ones with the most number of reportings on drug use were "hipster" colleges (vassar, oberlin, reed, etc), which I think serves to support my theory of drug use being related to intellectualism and outside the box thinking. (Also, I don't identify as a hipster but you know what I mean).
That is probably the most pretentious blurb I have written in a while and I'm sure I come off as a bit stuffy but the reason I opened this up is because I'm curious about what you guys have I say about this topic.
Questions to address:
Do you personally find yourself isolated from the "cookie cutter environment" to some extent?
Do you have friends that you use drugs with that you find stimulating intellectually?
What are some of your favorite characters in movies that emulate the isolated intellectual drug using type?
Thanks for reading.
 
illicit drug users are usually part of some form of 'counter-culture' movement, mostly because mainstream culture generally doesn't promote drug use. IMO, introverts do drugs because they/we aren't satisfied with the under-stimulating nature of reality, and the same goes for intellectuals. These are all commonly pondered questions, especially amongst novice stoners and trippers from what. i've noticed/experienced. You're not the first to ask these questions, man. ;)

having said that, the questions dont really promote discussion IMO, and even if they did, I bet the majority of BLers who would happen upon this thread will see the wall of text and exit out immediately without even attempting to read it. I'll give it a more simple name and see if anyone bites, but i'm pretty sure this is better suited for blogs.
 
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^ Yeah, I feel like the mod is shooting you down a little bit, because I do agree with the OP to an extent, but then again, man, this is definitely just talking about a feeling that some of us get when we're using drugs and having a good time, AND we feel this way about what we're doing...

I mean, personally, I do think that introverts might have more of a tendency to gravitate to drugs, but, that's just a personal opinion, mainly because I'm an introvert who uses drugs. :)

My thoughts:

- I would isolate myself from the 'cookie cutter environment' around us regardless of drug use man. I basically smoke pot like most people drink alcohol. And I'm fine with not smoking - I'm not fine with following the leader.
- Yes, except I REALLY don't care if my friends have to be intellectually stimulating around me when I'm drinking or smoking with them - when I'm drinking or smoking with my friends, shit, I just want to have a good time - unless you think playing video games or watching movies when stoned/drunk is intellectually stimulating, which those activities really aren't, then nah.
- OK, with the 3rd question, I think you are kind of just trying to espouse a certain personality type connected with drugs - I mean, people are just people man, and so many people are generalizing about a lot of shit these days, why are you trying to put drug users in such a box? The funny thing is that I do think that a lot of people (who use drugs and would be on this website) in general would agree with you, but come on, just by numbers, I'm sure at least a third, if not a half or more, of drug users are actually extroverts. While I am not normally extroverted, I took on more of an extroverted personality when on drugs (weed) for a number of years, quite recently in fact.

But when I was 18-19, I did have the same thoughts as you. Now I don't really - drug culture has a lot of participants and a lot of personality types once you get into it.
 
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I'm an ENTP as well. It is true that in my city, drug use is higher at the hipster college. However, I see hipster as a negative term. I hate hipsters. In my area, they are pretentious and don't really know anything actually. For example, one guy I met was at a predominantly hipster university costing 20k USD per year and complained that his parents were sending him to a school costing 4k USD per year after he had failed to attain enough credits to even be considered a sophomore after 5 years of school or they complain about not having a job when they spent 4 years on a film degree.

I think there should be a differentiation between hipsters and intellectuals that use drugs. In my experience, many intellectual drug users are somewhat removed from regular society but not in the traditional sense. I would say that I have comparable situational depression, as society is fucked.

I would also agree that drug users vary significantly. For example, the types of people I go to events with range from INFJ, ESTJ, ESFP, ENFP, INTP etc. Hell, I could probably name someone of each MBTI that I've done drugs with, whether it be eating some blotter or blowing down lines.
 
For the record, I wasn't trying to generalize drug users or imply that the majority or introverted. There obviously is quite a mix when it comes to the subject, I just wanted to talk about the certain aspect of isolation and intellectualism related to drug use.
 
haha, yeah, I think about this a lot from time to time. I'll just keep it short and sweet, with an anecdote from a (very smart) friend of mine. he texts me says "man I want to get high." yeah, I say, you're a smart guy. all smart people realize they need to get high at some point in their life

and I also don't mean this in a pretentious way at all. it's just that if you are a self-aware human being, how can you experience humanity's pop culture or political landscape and NOT want to alter your way of thinking, in some way or the other?
 
Intelligent people don’t always do the right thing, only the evolutionarily novel thing.
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I read this a while back and it could be part of the reason why "hipster" colleges report more drug use.(hipster>novelty>drugs) also (boredom>experience>drugs)

I am an ISFJ and its a surprisingly accurate assessment. %)
 
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I think that it's tough to be intelligent, an intellectual, and not be depressed; I mean, once you've found an explanation for every wondrous, awe-inspiring, worldly thing, a sunset or rainbow, falling in love, well, it's hard then not to grow depressed -- wouldn't you say?

It's like, "oh, so a beautiful sunset is merely the result of the sunlight being refracted off of particles in the atmosphere, and love is merely the result of chemical, physiological processes, a feeling that will oftentimes grow less and less intense with time until it vanishes completely -- oh, and it's very likely that all of this is nothing more than a huge accident, and it's likely that there is no god after all, and death is probably final, rendering all of my life experiences essentially worthless."

How can these revelations not depress a person? When there's just no more magic, no more wonder, no more excitement... kind of makes you want to "self-medicate," no? So, yeah, it doesn't surprise me that the more intelligent, intellectual, heady types tend to do drugs more often than others.
 
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I absolutely agree with you. I hope you figure out what is really going on. I know the answer but will not post at this time. Keep with the introspection and think big. This is a gift isn't it. Why do you have it? How was it created? I can tell you it is earned and not simply given, but how was it earned? In addition, I find the people you describe tend to run a low dopamine level. A genetic predisposition to use mood enhancing substances and other characteristics and attributes are monitored by a certain powerful group. Select individuals from the monitored group are targeted for illumination at the right time. An invisible group forces fruition. Know thy self. Know the world. Do not allow anyone to push you into a destination from whence you did not come or desire to go. Sorry for the abstract nature.
 
well said, verso. your point was the one I think I was trying to make, you just wrote it out tons better than my attempt

great thread idea, newbie
 
I know that I'm an intovert and I'm an intellectual. And I have an interest in drugs. Obviously.

Do you personally find yourself isolated from the "cookie cutter environment" to some extent?
Yes. I find this especially at work. Corporate environment. Although I love my job, I find that I am quite different from my coworkers. A lot of pop culture stuff that I don't get. Or that I care to understand. I try to, for social purposes, try and understand some things. But a lot of it... nah not worth it!!

Do you have friends that you use drugs with that you find stimulating intellectually?
My boyfriend is very intelligent (I don't like saying this, especially not to him, but he's definitely much smarter than me, he's crazy smart) and he's an introvert as well (moreso than me, believe it or not, and I'm the one with anxiety lol). I don't have a ton of friends but I do have some intellectual drug-user friends. It's nice to have a good convo with them.

What are some of your favorite characters in movies that emulate the isolated intellectual drug using type?
I honestly don't know of any movies like this.
 
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