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HeWhoHowls

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For those whoe believe in life outside earth( which really should be evryone lol), would you thnk theyv had influence over the creation of society n religion??
If so, id love to hear your ideas.

i believ in the distant past, ET's came to the earth on a mission to bring deeper meaning n higher levels of consciousness to less evolved planets. They found our ancestors as tribes of hunters n gatherers with very crude, primitive ways of life. ET's gave us what we needed (either by genetic manipulation or by teaching homosapiens how to live life the way we do) to start society.
How else could we have gone from caveman so societal beings like the sumerians almost literally overnight??

thats my thoughts, what are yours??
 
I don't believe in life outside earth because I have no hard evidence to back up that belief.

But I don't disbelieve either. I think it's definitely possible... even probable.
 
I don't believe in life outside earth because I have no hard evidence to back up that belief.

But I don't disbelieve either. I think it's definitely possible... even probable.

I cant prove it either, but my belief is based on deductive reasoning.
Was it the Gods who came to earth as flesh n blood beings to come create humanity??
Or could it be something more probable than that, ET's

Most beliefs (if not all) are based on partial to no evidence anyway.
 
A curious idea.

Giving such a gift to an evolutionarily-unstable species (modern sharks emerged almost 2000 times longer ago than modern humans, and have barely changed since) may have had disastrous consequences. Maybe those humans at the time who understood it were shunned by their peers, or misused their wisdom in a selfish manner. Or maybe they simply misunderstood, and the various understandings led to the multitude of religions with common elements that we have today.

Or maybe our instability just made us unable to remember it past a generation or two.

OR... Maybe it was encoded in our DNA (same problem though)
 
Perhaps we're just an industrial process and we were given the freewill illusion to stop us dying of apathy.
It may explain why we do what we do, earth is simply a planet sized reaction vessel which will be harvested when the process is completed. obviously there will be separation of the product from the impurities, this is dealt with in religious texts to soothe our fears.
 
For those whoe believe in life outside earth( which really should be evryone lol), would you thnk theyv had influence over the creation of society n religion??
If so, id love to hear your ideas.

i believ in the distant past, ET's came to the earth on a mission to bring deeper meaning n higher levels of consciousness to less evolved planets. They found our ancestors as tribes of hunters n gatherers with very crude, primitive ways of life. ET's gave us what we needed (either by genetic manipulation or by teaching homosapiens how to live life the way we do) to start society.
How else could we have gone from caveman so societal beings like the sumerians almost literally overnight??

thats my thoughts, what are yours??

I believe in life beyond this galaxy, but i dont not think any of these life forms created man or had anything to do with our creation. I believe there is only one entity responsible for our creation and that is god himself. I believe this entire existence is transcendental and true to the nature of the supreme self. This is why nature is self similar across scale. This is why we are microcosms of the macrocosm. No other being, no matter how technologically advanced, could ever design such a beautiful creation in such an advanced and harmonious order other than god and creation itself. The thinking process makes itself visible in the act of thinking, god in the act of creating. I believe we are all god in motion, as we have sprung out of he and he alone.(he/she) Our problem though, lies in our ignorance of this fact. We deny god exists and by doing so, we are denying our selves. This self-denial is very frustrating and i believe is the very foundation of why we are all so bent on gratifying the senses. We are just covering up whats really going on by false and temporary entertainment. The entertainment of TV, Movies, Music, Food, Sex, etc. Dont get me wrong, i love all of these things, however i think we should enjoy them from our innermost selves, the god within us should enjoy these things, instead of us using them as a means to escape the truth. I also believe this is why our society is going to hell. It is because the entertainment we do seek is so deprived from god and any kind of truth, that we are all telling each other "Its okay to be dirty" Well let me tell you this. It is NOT okay to be dirty. Just as we feel miserable when we wear dirty and stinky clothes, so too do we feel miserable when we wear dirty and stinky thoughts. Forgive me for getting a little off topic here.

So, there is only one transcendental god who created this entire material nature in every stretch of every galaxy and it is all true to him, from the physical to the metaphysical. Each and every one of our missions, as a part of this material existence, is to transcend this material nature of ours by improving our spiritual faith and devotion to the transcendental/spiritual and metaphysical supreme personality of godhead, however we take him, for he is not a jealous god and is forever potent in everything and everyone. If I worship Jesus or buddha instead of Krishna, but i am sincere im my devotion, i treat jesus or buddha as if he were krishna, than krishna would not be jealous. Krishna is buddha and jesus and you and me and everything else for that matter, why would he care which form you take a liking to? the only thing that matters is where your heart is in your devotion.

What i am saying is that I dont think we were created by a more advanced society than ourselves, but we were brought into being through the act of creation and transcendence itself. We have appled out of this universe the same way an apple apples out of a tree.

There is evidence of this claim in the Bhagavad-gita, which says as follows:

Krishna: The living entities in this conditional world are My fragmental parts, and they are eternal. But due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.

The living entity in the material world carries his different conceptions of life as the air carries aromas. Thus he takes one kind of body and again quits it to take another.

The living entity, thus taking another gross body, obtains a particular type of ear, tongue, nose, and sense of touch, centered about the mind. He thus enjoys a particular set of sense objects.

The foolish cannot understand how a living entity can quit his body, or what sort of body he enjoys under the spell of the modes of nature. But one whose eyes are trained in knowledge can see this.

The endeavoring transcendentalist, who is situated in self realization, can see all this clearly. But those who are not situated in self realization, though they may try, cannot see what is taking place.

If we were created by Aliens, then how would we be able to reincarnate as we do? we are obviously not just some mechanical creation of some advanced species somewhere in the far stretches of existence. We are existence itself, created by existence itself. and who is the wheel or magic hand that keep creation in motion? It is of course none other than god.

I do not, however, think that god made us in one day. I believe we slowly but surely developed into the beings we are today, while god has been there all along and in every galaxy in an ocean of galaxies, as each one takes up its own life forms. How did we come about? perhaps we came from monkeys who perturbed consciousness and started learning advanced communication and self recognition.

You ask how did we advance as a species as fast as we did and i think the answer lies in the development of our consciousness, even now this is what our species is striving for. But how did our consciousness develop so rapidly? I believe magic mushrooms and or ayahuasca played a huge role in the production of our species, as they a part of nature and god itself, part of existence and a natural means to develop growth and sensitivity to various aspects of our being. Terence Mckenna says that the mushroom is itself an alien. I think this is possible. This could be the alien that helped us become who we are because it enters into our consciousness and shows us things we couldnt possibly ever of even conceived of before. It shows nothing of the small matters either, it shows us cosmic unity.

Terence Mckenna says we were a special one species of monkey who ate mushrooms, perturbed our consciousness, found ourselves, and then started advancing our communication with one another. From there you have the development of families and tribes, from there goes tools and agriculture, from there cities and technologies. I think this is highly possible, what other means could our ancestors have used to develop their consciousness at such a fast rate, other than "conscious expanding chemicals". This is not contradictory to the belief that we are from god either.

In the Bhagavad-gita, Krishna himself states: But it is I who am the ritual, I the sacrifice, the offering to the ancestors, THE HEALING HERB, the transcendental chant; I am the butter the fire and the offering.
 
I believe in life beyond this galaxy, but i dont not think any of these life forms created man or had anything to do with our creation.

Im not talking of aliens creating man, but aliens influencing our evolution into spirituality n higher levels of consciousness than before. changing us from the animal called homo sapien into the intelligent being of modern man.
 
Im not talking of aliens creating man, but aliens influencing our evolution into spirituality n higher levels of consciousness than before. changing us from the animal called homo sapien into the intelligent being of modern man.

Oh, well perhaps aliens could have done that. I believe more in the mushroom theory. That they helped us expand our consciousness, showing us inner dimensions and advancing our imagination and communication. From this advancement in communication and imagination, we have brought our civilization where it is today.
 
You ask how did we advance as a species as fast as we did and i think the answer lies in the development of our consciousness, even now this is what our species is striving for. But how did our consciousness develop so rapidly? I believe magic mushrooms and or ayahuasca played a huge role in the production of our species, as they a part of nature and god itself, part of existence and a natural means to develop growth and sensitivity to various aspects of our being. Terence Mckenna says that the mushroom is itself an alien. I think this is possible. This could be the alien that helped us become who we are because it enters into our consciousness and shows us things we couldnt possibly ever of even conceived of before. It shows nothing of the small matters either, it shows us cosmic unity.

Terence Mckenna says we were a special one species of monkey who ate mushrooms, perturbed our consciousness, found ourselves, and then started advancing our communication with one another. From there you have the development of families and tribes, from there goes tools and agriculture, from there cities and technologies. I think this is highly possible, what other means could our ancestors have used to develop their consciousness at such a fast rate, other than "conscious expanding chemicals". This is not contradictory to the belief that we are from god either.

In the Bhagavad-gita, Krishna himself states: But it is I who am the ritual, I the sacrifice, the offering to the ancestors, THE HEALING HERB, the transcendental chant; I am the butter the fire and the offering.



Perhaps a tool of higher consciousness is to enter anothers mind n plant the seeds of enlightenment in the same way psychedelics do.
If its so, then these two methods would have the same affect, ingesting shrooms or physical contact with an ET in touch with its high self.

One point i must make is that we didnt go from monkeys to societal beings. we went from monkey to homo sapien to societal beings of today. something happened that caused the evolutionary leap that i believe scientific evolution cant produce, only spiritual influence from something higher than ourselves. when i say "higher than ourselves" i dont mean the highest of all (God), but somethng between the highest n ourselves; that would be some other advanced being.

""I think this is highly possible, what other means could our ancestors have used to develop their consciousness at such a fast rate, other than "conscious expanding chemicals".""

possible answer: alient intervention
 
Perhaps a tool of higher consciousness is to enter anothers mind n plant the seeds of enlightenment in the same way psychedelics do.
If its so, then these two methods would have the same affect, ingesting shrooms or physical contact with an ET in touch with its high self.

One point i must make is that we didnt go from monkeys to societal beings. we went from monkey to homo sapien to societal beings of today. something happened that caused the evolutionary leap that i believe scientific evolution cant produce, only spiritual influence from something higher than ourselves. when i say "higher than ourselves" i dont mean the highest of all (God), but somethng between the highest n ourselves; that would be some other advanced being.

""I think this is highly possible, what other means could our ancestors have used to develop their consciousness at such a fast rate, other than "conscious expanding chemicals".""

possible answer: alient intervention

Yes, you are right. A telepathic communication coming directly from an ET that may help advance a society spiritually is very similar to the telepathic communication given from the mushroom. It is believed the mushroom is itself an alien and if they both can effectively communicate and help us advance spiritually than they are both important aspects to our civilization.

I think it is possible that aliens could have intervened with our species to help us advance forward, but can they really expand our imaginations as much as mushrooms and at as fast of a rate? I am not sure if aliens have such a strong form of telepathy as the mushroom. Who knows? Nice discussion though. :D
 
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