Internet drug rap couple face 98 years in US jail

None of the precursors for Methamphetamine are [were] controlled in the UK including Iodine and Red Phosphorous.

No charges have been brought against the couple in the UK as they broke no UK laws AFAIW. The US has requested extradition for import of of controlled substances.
 
But doesn't there have to be a similar law in the country they reside in to allow extradition?
 
mossy said:
The couple spent seven months in prison without being charged with any offence and are now on bail waiting to find out if the US extradition request will be approved by Scottish ministers.
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what the fuck?

what is their justification for that? i thought that was just the new anti-terrorism legislation that fucked over people's rights?

also - is this linked to those people that were exporting GBL to the US, or is that someone else?
 
The US requested and was granted extradition in a murder case where a dual US citizen who had not set foot in the US for decades was murdered by a local.
The accused was not a US citizen and had never set foot in the US, the crime he was accused of had no connection to the US aside from the victim holding citizenship. He was charged by the US even though the crime happened in another country. The US has made it very clear they do not care where you are, if they want they will charge you for a crime that happened outside their jurisdiction and will seek extradition and 90% change of it being granted because they are the big dog.

I wonder if the US will respond when they start receiving all kinds of wacky extradition requests from every tinpot dictatorship and theocracy. Is China going to start sending extradition requests for US citizens that criticize them online? Does the US realize what an insane can of worms they are opening claiming de facto that their laws apply worldwide?
 
garuda said:
The US has made it very clear they do not care where you are, if they want they will charge you for a crime that happened outside their jurisdiction and will seek extradition and 90% chance of it being granted because they are the big dog.
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QFT. But I'd say it's about a 95% chance.
 
i think undercover work should be illegal, because isn't the justice system supposed to be a moral thing, not about lying and trying to trick people into doing something wrong
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EXACTLY. When people in law enforcement act like criminals does that make them any better? No. It just proves they smile while watching other people suffer.
(which reminds me of a bill hicks joke...pulled over drunk driving..."what does saying the alphabet backwards have to do with sobriety, man? I'm not drunk, but I guess I must be too stupid to be driving!")
 
garuda said:
The US requested and was granted extradition in a murder case where a dual US citizen who had not set foot in the US for decades was murdered by a local.
The accused was not a US citizen and had never set foot in the US, the crime he was accused of had no connection to the US aside from the victim holding citizenship. He was charged by the US even though the crime happened in another country. The US has made it very clear they do not care where you are, if they want they will charge you for a crime that happened outside their jurisdiction and will seek extradition and 90% change of it being granted because they are the big dog.

I wonder if the US will respond when they start receiving all kinds of wacky extradition requests from every tinpot dictatorship and theocracy. Is China going to start sending extradition requests for US citizens that criticize them online? Does the US realize what an insane can of worms they are opening claiming de facto that their laws apply worldwide?
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Yes, but the difference is that murder is illegal in BOTH countries.

The article says that the precursors are not illegal in England but only in the US.

So how can they extradite for a law that doesn't exist in the accused person's country?

From wikipedia

Generally, an extradition treaty requires that a country seeking extradition be able to show that:

# The event in question qualifies as a crime in both countries.
 
felix said:
what is their justification for that? i thought that was just the new anti-terrorism legislation that fucked over people's rights?

also - is this linked to those people that were exporting GBL to the US, or is that someone else?
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I suppose exporting precursors for explosives could theoretically fall under anti-terrorism :\ The only thing they did wrong AFAIK was to not properly label with HAZMAT.

Anti-Terrorism Laws .. pah .. countless thousands have already been arrested, detained and finally released without charge and have zero recourse. Wasn't there a case recently where the local Council used Anti-Terror Laws in which to operate surveillance on a local resident related to school catchment areas :\

Here's one and it mentions the above: How town hall snoopers hijack anti-terror powers to crack down on dog fouling

No, it was Hanin Rabin working out of East Lothian IIRC that was extradited to the US to face GBL (or possibly GHB) charges. BBC Linky
 
Actually, Coolio, it depends on the extradition treaty between the two countries, and I am not familiar with the treaty between Scotland and the states. Here in Costa Rica, in order for a person to be eligible for extradition, there has to be a similar punishable crime on the books in both countries, and Costa Rica will not extradite for offenses where the death penalty is possible, unless the other country agrees to take the death penalty off the table for that particular case
 
Fuck, Fuccckk

'Fuck The Po-Lice!

I agree with whoever said about the Justice system not being about "tricking people".
What ever happened to "protect and serve?" Now its a shit load of fun raising and P0ing people from out of state on local speed limit drop spots on the highways. Nothings worst then bored cops; when bud becomes legal half of them are getting laid off off the bat & they know it so maybe its job security?
 
chilidog, the US has some pretty aggressive extradition treaties with a lot of countries nowadays. Most countries are too pussy (or supportive of the US DoJ/DoD) to stand up to US extradition requests.
 
Coolio said:
chilidog, the US has some pretty aggressive extradition treaties with a lot of countries nowadays. Most countries are too pussy (or supportive of the US DoJ/DoD) to stand up to US extradition requests.
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This man got it right ...

This Special Report is also available in "pdf" format to download: Analysis no 18

On 31 March, David Blunkett, UK Home Secretary, signed an Extradition Treaty on behalf of the UK with his United States counterpart, Attorney General Tom Ashcroft, ostensibly bringing the US into line with procedures between European countries. The UK parliament was not consulted at all and the text was not public available until the end of May. The only justification given for the delay was "administrative reasons", though these did not hold-up scrutiny by the US senate, which began almost immediately.

The UK-US Treaty has three main effects:

- (1) it removes the requirement on the US to provide prima facie evidence when requesting the extradition of people from the UK but maintains the requirement on the UK to satisfy the "probable cause" requirement in the US when seeking the extradition of US nationals;

- (2) it removes or restricts key protections currently open to suspects and defendants;

- (3) it implements the EU-US Treaty on extradition, signed in Washington on 25 June 2003, but far exceeds the provisions in this agreement.
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Full text
 
www.kno3.com

This is a story of a company KNO3.COM and the THECHEMICALSHOP.COM and Brian Howes, Kerry-Ann Shanks and Colin Anderson who is the owner of the Bo’ness Motor Museum who were working with the home office, Special branch against terrorism and with the police against drug dealers also we were working with trading standards and the health and safety Executive in Edinburgh Tom Allen. Well Kerry and I Brian Howes were but cannot vouch for Colin Anderson who has no backbone because he did nothing to help us while we were in prison on illegal remand for seven months. What Colin Anderson did of the Bo’ness Motor Museum was to steel our car sell all our stock which did not belong to him and hide behind his friend Chief Inspector Rennie of Grangemouth. Why Colin Anderson did this we do not know yet as we have not had any contact since Kerry-Ann Shanks and my arrest. Our company never broke the law yet the media make it look like we were selling chemicals to make drugs but they were legal here and were used for fireworks and for medical use. This story is only the beginning of a much larger story of police corruption that will take a long time to write. I can only hope I have the time to write it as Cleveland Police may stop my writings again as they have done in the past on another website I had called www.Cleveland-police.org. How can we be extradited for selling chemicals legal in the UK? TO BE CONTINUED.
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The US has been using the UK 2003 extradition act to extradite people who have broken no UK laws knowing that they need no evidence of any kind. They also know that once you arrive in the US that even if you have done nothing Illegal that the threat of life behind bars and being remanded in custody for a long period of time while waiting trial is enough to get the extradited person to take a plea. In order to be extradited you must have committed a crime in the UK which has the corresponding crime in the US. In our case we have no criminal records and have been cleared of all wrong doing by the English and Scottish police.

We have spent 214 days on remand away from our four young girls and only a thirty day hunger strike managed to get us bail. Imagine yourself and your partner without notice put in prison without charge without questioning for 7 months not even given the same rights as a common criminal. If there is anybody from the media out there that would like to expand on this horrific story please contact me through this email address: brian AT howes.uk.net and I will respond.
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Linky to text

Legal Papers
 
correct, the states is aggressive. but costa rica has turned down extradition requests many many times, because cr law is rather lax, and if the crime committed is not a crime here in costa rica, they will not extradite, provided you are a legal resident of costa rica.
 
The people running this business KNEW that stuff was going into the US and what for. They sold RP & I.... the rest of the products never sold. They were fairly blatent. I would have done it once, but twice!
98 years is stupid. They will no doubt be handed back to UK custody eventually and released. Expect them to serve 15-20 though.
 
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