Inquest into mushroom death (IE)

Church said:
There is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL that this can be pinned on the mushrooms alone. Why, you ask? Because I've been around people who drink, and with the assistance of absolutely no other drugs whatsoever these people can have a tendency to hang from 3rd story balconies and try, for instance, jumping into the pool down below.

YET... through all the myriad times I've been around people who are tripping, on acid or mushrooms, never once have I seen anyone do something like this. I'm not saying it can't, or doesn't happen, I'm only saying that it seems like par for the course when alcohol is involved, and not so with the psychedelics.
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This may be the case in your experience, but I happen to have known someone plunge from a nightclub balcony to their death while on acid and acid alone, and I have never seen anyone do anything like that while only drunk. So I happen to think there is EVERY WAY IN HELL this could be blamed on the mushrooms.

Don't get me wrong, I am in no way anti-drugs. But if you think people never do fucking stupid/crazy things on psychedelics you're just kidding yourself. Ask yourself this: is someone more likely to do something freaked-out, panicky and suicidal while on psychedelics, or is this more likely when they're drunk? Bit of a no-brainer really. Why the hell do you think people on this forum always mention that having a trip sitter is so important?
 
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snowshovel said:
This may be the case in your experience, but I happen to have known someone plunge from a nightclub balcony to their death while on acid and acid alone, and I have never seen anyone do anything like that while only drunk. So I happen to think there is EVERY WAY IN HELL this could be blamed on the mushrooms.

Don't get me wrong, I am in no way anti-drugs. But if you think people never do fucking stupid/crazy things on psychedelics you're just kidding yourself. Ask yourself this: is someone more likely to do something freaked-out, panicky and suicidal while on psychedelics, or is this more likely when they're drunk? Bit of a no-brainer really.
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No, there isn't really any way it could be blaimed on the drugs. The guy should have known what mushrooms could do to him, and should have tripped in a location that wasn't dangerous. End of story.
 
^ Yeah, he SHOULD've known, but there's always gonna be idiots who take drugs without knowing what they're getting into. I'm in no way trying to demonise or blame the substance, but the fact is plenty of people do stupid shit while on these kinds of drugs and pretending that the drugs have nothing to do with it is just denial.
 
snowshovel said:
^ Yeah, he SHOULD've known, but there's always gonna be idiots who take drugs without knowing what they're getting into. I'm in no way trying to demonise or blame the substance, but the fact is plenty of people do stupid shit while on these kinds of drugs and pretending that the drugs have nothing to do with it is just denial.
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I know you're not trying to demonize anything. For me, it's the same thing with say, climbing rock faces. If some twat goes to a climbing wall without ropes or any protective equipment and gets halfway up the face before falling to his doom, do we blame the cliff? Should we ban rock climbing? No, it's his own damn fault.
 
^ I agree, nobody should be banning anything, it's just that whenever anything like this happens, most BLers seem to claim that the drugs had no influence on events whatsoever.
 
^ No, I believe drugs had an influence: drugs known as alcohol. And snowshovel, I'm not even arguing with your point, I certainly do believe that psychedelics can cause people to make bad decisions. But my actual point here is that we can't simply decide to blame this on the mushrooms when the guy also had alcohol in his system. When I hear of an experience involving psychedelics, and only psychdelics, I will sing a different tune.

I just hate how the guy had started off his night by getting drunk, then takes some mushrooms, gets killed, and it's the mushrooms' fault.

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snowshovel said:
Ask yourself this: is someone more likely to do something freaked-out, panicky and suicidal while on psychedelics, or is this more likely when they're drunk? Bit of a no-brainer really.
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You're absolutely right, it IS a no-brainer. And the answer is "when they're drunk." There's PLENTY of evidence to back this up.

Keep in mind I am not anti alcohol or any drug for that matter. I'm only trying to be as objective as my subjectivity will let me be.
 
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. In my experience it's exactly the other way around - as I mentioned, I know someone who killed himself while tripping on acid (and that really did involve only acid, but i guess you'll just have to take my word for it), whereas i've never known anyone even injure themselves (besides minor scrapes & bruises) while drunk.

Of course I know that drunk people hurt themselves all the time though! Perhaps my experience has just been badly skewed.
 
snowshovel said:
Don't get me wrong, I am in no way anti-drugs. But if you think people never do fucking stupid/crazy things on psychedelics you're just kidding yourself. Ask yourself this: is someone more likely to do something freaked-out, panicky and suicidal while on psychedelics, or is this more likely when they're drunk?
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It does not say that the man intentionally killed himself, only that he fell. If it was an accidental fall, the alcohol would be more likely to cause that.

Not saying the mushrooms played no role in the death, only that it wasn't necessarily a suicide. Both drugs impaired his judgement, maybe he got too close to the edge and fell accidentally, as drunks often do.
 
snowshovel, my roommate wanted to jump out of a window last time we did mushrooms. he later said he only didn't because i and our other roommate were near him the whole time and he was waiting for us to get far enough away from him so that we couldn't stop him.

i know it's rare, but it happens.
 
HJe died half an hour later? Then it wasn't the mushroom's that caused the fall...

Anyway, he should be consider blessed to be able to go out while on mushroom's, I should be so lucky!
 
Mushrooms can make you very disorientated and confused. I have been trapped in a friends hallway, stumbling around trying to find the right door. The visual hallucinations were so intense that the walls and doors were spinning and melting into each other. I ended up spinning around getting more and more lost, in the end i fell down, and from there i regained my bearings.

However, from the amount that this individual is said to have consumed and the time frame, i doubt very very strongly that the mushies were a contributing factor in the accident.

There is obviously alot more to this story.
 
In January of this year Ms Harney announced that she was introducing legislation banning the sale and possession of the mushrooms in both their raw and processed states.
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?! Way to catch up with the rest of the world.

it wasnt mushrooms that made him fall, it was a either a poor decision on his behalf (possibly due to clouded judgement) or an accidental act of uncoordination, or his brother & friends killed him.
 
you need a drug knowledge lisence. to get that lisence, you have to pass tests for a working knowledge about each drug's capabilities and dangers. this would prevent idiots like Colm from fucking it up for the rest of us
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you know thats not a bad idea..
 
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