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Injecting. Why?

Coveman

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Sorry if a thread like this has already been started, however I am very curious as to why people choose to go down the needle route? Im not a big drug user, mainly weed and speed and recently MPA so that could relate to as why I haven't used a needle. However, I absoutely hate needles, even to the point where I refuse to have blood taken at the doctors, i'd rather not know whats wrong with me if I have a problem then have someone stick a needle in my body, it actually makes me cringe whenever I read about people IVing this and that.

So I ask the needles users here why do you do it? How did you get to the state where it was a needle or nothing? Yes I understand that injecting certain things brings an instant rush but it is really that different and special that you'd stick a needle in your arm or anywhere else for that matter.

For example, Heroin. Ive never had it and I absolutely will not have it because of all the stories you hear about people becoming addicted/changing after the first use. Is the rush/effect (Im not even sure what Heroin gives you) from IVing this THAT much better as opposed to sniffing it or taking orally?

Id really like to hear your thoughts on this.
 
Well having been someone who just tried it for the first time a few days ago (IV use)... its definately that rush. It takes way less, and you get an awesome-buzzing sensation in your head euphoria that you just cant get from snorting it.

I think when I shoot it though it seems like it wears off a little quicker but maybe thats just me...
 
Do you mean that a few days ago was your first hit of H or your first hit via a needle?
 
I agree with you.

There of course with anything, are exceptions. But usually the ole needle, is the end of the road. Not saying end of the road meaning death (certainly will happen too) but as a term describing maybe a rec user, or even a functioning addict turning to despair. That rush, oh the RUSH they all chase indeed from research has to feel extremely euphoric. It takes no science, to see how feeling that level of good, is not natural, however it indeed is that good that logic goes out the window. Does not last long, tolerance, health, and even at a level of financial success where you could buy enough heroin (whatever drug) to supply 1000 people for life, sooner or later you will be cut down. Once that happens, its up the individual as its do or die time.

Back to question: They do it for pleasure, and in a world full of irony, end up doing it to feel normal.
 
That's exactly my point in the end people inject just to feel normal, you know that this is going to happen to you so why on earth would you do it to begin with. Im really curious as to how person X gets to the point where its needle or nothing. Im sure all the needle users here have there reasons and im not trying to be offensive but are y'all crazy?

I just saw a pic on here about someone missing a shot and having this shooting thing on his arm, omg, I physically cringed and closed the page.
 
That Rush, feeling, euphoria, and even the all-around culture of it all.

Kinda the it "only takes once" type of thing, there are some who say wow that is amazing, but never again.
Then there are those who say wow that was amazing, when can i do it again!?!?
The latter being the most common, and time crawls around, and its no longer a choice.
Of course theres always a choice, but once in i would imagine that choice can get a little clouded.
 
Once you've used a needle other ROAs just seem kind of wasteful. And the rush...that is beyond compare. When I first started using I said I'd never do needles. But I love K, and everything I read said IM was the way to go with that. IM didn't seem as 'dirty' to me so I tried it. That was how I first got into needles. Once I'd done that, IV didn't seem quite so far-fetched. And once I'd started to IV I never went back. I won't say it's IV or nothing though...if I'm somewhere that's not needle-friendly I don't mind other ROAs. But the whole time I'll be wishing I could load it into a rig.
 
Coveman said:
For example, Heroin. Ive never had it and I absolutely will not have it because of all the stories you hear about people becoming addicted/changing after the first use.
IMO instant addiction is a fucking myth. I find that it starts with occasional use, then casual use, then whenever you're sad, bored or nervous, then weekly, then more during the week, then to go to sleep or wake up(depending on if it's an upper or downer), then almost all the time. Usually the psychological dependency kicks in first, then if it's physically addictive the physical dependency. It builds up gradually and sneaks up on you. It can take anywhere from a few months of use to years. It still happens easier than it sounds.

I actually think that saying drugs are instantly addictive can be dangerous misinformation. It can lure a first time user into a false sense of security when they take it and find the government propaganda is wrong and they're don't have cravings or withdraws right away.

The reason the needle is used is it's unparalleled in intensity and euphoria. Faster onset=more euphoria. It's more potent and cost effective at first, but usually you just dig yourself in a deeper hole and spend more.
 

Would you mind sharing with me, how it all started for you, why you want down that route and things of that nature.

Could you also share why you stopped, was there a point in time where it scared you? I know im asking alot however i'd like to get as much info from as many people about needles and why people do them.

Thanks.
 
IMO instant addiction is a fucking myth. I find that it starts with occasional use, then casual use, then whenever you're sad, bored or nervous, then weekly, then more during the week, then to go to sleep or wake up(depending on if it's an upper or downer), then almost all the time. Usually the psychological dependency kicks in first, then if it's physically addictive the physical dependency. It builds up gradually and sneaks up on you. It can take anywhere from a few months of use to years. It still happens easier than it sounds.

I actually think that saying drugs are instantly addictive can be dangerous misinformation. It can lure a first time user into a false sense of security when they take it and find the government propaganda is wrong and they're don't have cravings or withdraws right away.

The reason the needle is used is it's unparalleled in intensity and euphoria. Faster onset=more euphoria. It's more potent and cost effective at first, but usually you just dig yourself in a deeper hole and spend more.

Thanks for this post, it was very informative.

Maybe the 1 hit thing is a myth however, H makes you feel good, correct? So if you have it once, you're bound to want to have it again. To me thats addiction, not to say you'll kill if you dont get it but addiction is addiction, no? I once tried MXE before it was made illegal and I didnt like it at all. Infact it scared me and ive never taken it since. So I wouldn't say, atleast for me that MXE was addictive first time around. I think a lot of people think that the 1 hit addiction is when you need it to function on a daily basis, which obviously isn't true.

Anyways, not to derail the thread, are you a needle user/ex needle user?
 
because its cost effective! And once you find out how amaizingly sweet and warm (truly) it feels you just want to keep doing it. I hate needles. still do. I have to look away and bite my fist when i get blood drawn or get stuck and they all laugh bc i do have a few visable tracks if looked for.

But yeah, you go from snorting 2 20's to get high to shooting a dime and being wrecked. goes like that for at leasat a few weeks then you are just shooting as much as you were snorting and your tolerance is sky high and you just maintain.
 
IMO instant addiction is a fucking myth. I find that it starts with occasional use, then casual use, then whenever you're sad, bored or nervous, then weekly, then more during the week, then to go to sleep or wake up(depending on if it's an upper or downer), then almost all the time. Usually the psychological dependency kicks in first, then if it's physically addictive the physical dependency. It builds up gradually and sneaks up on you. It can take anywhere from a few months of use to years. It still happens easier than it sounds.

I actually think that saying drugs are instantly addictive can be dangerous misinformation. It can lure a first time user into a false sense of security when they take it and find the government propaganda is wrong and they're don't have cravings or withdraws right away.

The reason the needle is used is it's unparalleled in intensity and euphoria. Faster onset=more euphoria. It's more potent and cost effective at first, but usually you just dig yourself in a deeper hole and spend more.

no it's not.

it depends what you define as addiction.

i was addicted to codeine after the first time i tried it.

i was given a box of them for back pain, took one, and never took them as directed but rather in mouthfuls per day, for about two years.

as for needles, i wouldn't know as i'm terrified of them, however i would like to IV drugs if i could bring my balls to doing it as i remember from being in hospital IV morphine was to die for.

i know people also start turning to needles when they are taking tons of oral drugs, which doesn't make sense, if you can IV half of it for a stronger effect in their minds.
 
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That 99-100% BA.
Peer pressure
Chasing the high

Some people can use a needle responsibly. I've never IV'd a drug. I see it as a huge no-no.
 
Use, abuse and addiction are three different things. Use is where you just get high or drunk, maybe just a little bit, without serious problems. Abuse is where you're not craving and compulsively taking substances, but are having problems from your use. Addiction is where you crave the substance or behavior compulsively.

Think about it. You might like to drink, gamble, play video games, have sex or eat chocolate, because they're fun. However, someone who gets drunk on weekend nights, plays bingo occasionally, is a serious gamer, has a lot of sex, or eats chocolate a lot isn't an alcoholic, compulsive gambler, game addict, nympho, or binge eater unless it's out of control. Same with drug use.

According to the DSM-IV(what the doctors use for diagnoses) one or more substance abuse criteria are
1.Recurrent substance use resulting in a failure to fulfill major role obligations at work, school, or home (such as repeated absences or poor work performance related to substance use; substance-related absences, suspensions, or expulsions from school; or neglect of children or household).
2.Recurrent substance use in situations in which it is physically hazardous (such as driving an automobile or operating a machine when impaired by substance use)
3.Recurrent substance-related legal problems (such as arrests for substance related disorderly conduct)
4.Continued substance use despite having persistent or recurrent social or interpersonal problems caused or exacerbated by the effects of the substance (for example, arguments with spouse about consequences of intoxication and physical fights).
So if you're getting way too fucked up, come to work hung over all the time, getting into fights or having DUIs but are not addicted then it's abuse

The DSM-IV defines addiction as three or more of
1.Tolerance, as defined by either of the following: (a) A need for markedly increased amounts of the substance to achieve intoxication or the desired effect or (b) Markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of the substance.
2.Withdrawal, as manifested by either of the following: (a) The characteristic withdrawal syndrome for the substance or (b) The same (or closely related) substance is taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms.
3.The substance is often taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than intended.
4.There is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use.
5.A great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the substance, use the substance, or recover from its effects.
6.Important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of substance use.
7.The substance use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance (for example, current cocaine use despite recognition of cocaine-induced depression or continued drinking despite recognition that an ulcer was made worse by alcohol consumption).

Some have criticized the criteria for addiction, since some drugs don't produce much tolerance or physical dependency. Also you can have tolerance and physical dependency from legitimate medical use, not addiction, even if the medication isn't a drug of abuse.

The criteria will probably change in the new DSM-V. I think they'll drop tolerence and withdraw as criteria, include non-substance addictions like gambling or sex addiction, and include drug abuse as a part of the addiction spectrum. I personally think including drug abuse in with addiction is a bad idea, but I think the reasoning is that abuse carries a moral rather then medical connotation. Kind of like how they don't call anxious patient neurotic, downs syndrome patient mongoloids, or mentally challenged patient morons or imbeciles.

Lastly, yes I have IV'ed heroin a couple times. It was great, but this impure black tar heroin here just eats up the veins. I'm fine with smoking shit. It gets me to where I want, I like the act of smoking whatever, and I'd end up going back to smoking anyways once all the veins are destroyed. And if MXE is anything like PCP, I could see myself getting addicted to it.
synthetix said:
no it's not.

it depends what you define as addiction.

i was addicted to codeine after the first time i tried it.

i was given a box of them for back pain, took one, and never took them as directed but rather in mouthfuls per day, for about two years.
I define addiction as the DSM-IV does. I mean did you just like it a lot so you used it all the time? Was it like you just took it one day and got strong compulsive cravings? IMO fiending or abusing isn't addiction yet. It just that IME almost every addict I've met had about like that pattern I described.
 
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i don't define it as the DSM does. i don't really like their descriptions and crap, sorry, just my opinion.

i literally took it once, and fell in love with it. the next day i woke up and took it because i had such strong cravings to do so, and took it thereon in everytime it wore off for the next two years until i moved onto stronger opiates. if you want to go by the DSM criteria - tolerance - i built such a tolerance i went to my GP to get codeine cough syrup ONTOP of codeine tablets, ONTOP of syrup from a pharmacy to become intoxicated. i would call it a withdrawal that window of time i hadn't taken my codeine - because life was better when i was codeine, yes, it was withdrawal. taken in larger amounts, well, even to start with i took double the dose. i tried in the 2nd week of use to stop and i couldnt. every single morning (i shit you not) for two years i would visit the doctor in the morning and pharmacy shop. i stopped boxing, of which i could have taken on to be a professional career. but i dont classify for number 7. i had no idea i had a problem.

i honestly think that's addiction at first intake. i can remember the first day i took it - as if it were yesterday just due to the intense pleasure, satisfaction and warmth. i was a gonner from that moment.
 
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