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Yes, I find so after so many years have passed.
Not sure if abusing psychedelics as hard and often as we abused opiates would lead to good outcomes, tho.
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Injecting street heroin - a step too far?
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Yes, I find so after so many years have passed.
Not sure if abusing psychedelics as hard and often as we abused opiates would lead to good outcomes, tho.
PriestTheyCalledHim
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Is this transporting fan fiction?
Opiates and psychedelics are completely different drugs. I never used heroin as I have too many friends who ruined their lives due to heroin, and died from an overdose. Various friends have said how heroin is like any other opiate only more addictive, dangerous, and sedating.
Not sure what you mean priest? I've had heroin, morphine, oxycontin, poppy tea - never found any remotely addictive. The high isnt good enough - sedated and sleepy doesnt do it for me. Its fucking shit - I used to buy a gram and snort some every night and by the third day I would be bored shitless with it. It would be 2 or 3 years before I got the interest up to try it again. Thats how addictive I found it.
Addiction is more about the person than the drug - people get prescribed diamorphine all the time only a small minority become addicted. This idea that heroin is this deadly drug for everyone is for the birds. The best book that explains this in great detail is johann hari's.
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TheUltimateFixx
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Trying heroin and not liking it that much is very common and it is true that it is not deadly for everyone, not at all, but I don't thing that people get prescribed diamorphine all the time.
If a person use opiates on a daily basis long enough, they will become dependent on the stuff, maybe they don't develope a addictive behaviour towards the substance if they don't have an addictive personality leading to a disorder, but they are dependent on their meds and if they were deprived from them, they would for sure have bad wds symptoms.
You need to take it every day for many weeks/months to get physically addicted tho - its extremely hard work and not many people can manage it. After 4 or 5 days I get absoutely sick of it - plus the high gets shitter every day - instead of a high you are constipated, headachey and just feel lousy. How you can carry on for weeks more is beyond my grasp.
..does not compute..
Me neither - when I first took it I was filled with terror and thinking "Oh god, I'd better only snort it once every other day so I don't GET A HABIT!" then after a week of snorting it every day I think on the 8th day I looked at it and thought "Fucking hell, I can't face taking anymore of that shit" - by then I was hardly feeliing a high at all it was just like having a bar of chocolate. It's been the same ever since - maybe get a gram once a year but thinking about it it must be 2 or 3 years since I bothered.
steewith2ees
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This. You have to be feeling really sorry for yourself to push through the initial hangovers but if the exterior discomfort continues to be the priority it is still too easy to star riding the crests and troughs of the hangovers along with catching the regular and sudden tolerance drops. 2 months later you realise you have been less sick with it than without it then that morning comes that you think you are gong to get by without it - within moments of waking you are simultaneously experiencing feelings that you have never had before despite instantly recognising what they are and how to satiate them.
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I'm not sure about that, I cant say anything from personal experience as I've never taken heroin more than a few days in a row. And hopefully never will.
I guess the closest I got was ODT (a few people that know both substances well have said that it's the same as / better than most street gear) and I did maybe 5-6 days in a row. (Perhaps more, cant remember now as that period is such a blur) and I can't even remember properly now what happened at the end of those runs tbh, but I probably had mild w/ds.
However, I know I've read about many people (celebs and people on here) getting mild w/ds after using heroin daily for that kind of time period. Perhaps most famously Antony Kiedis (of Red Hot Chilli Peppers fame) in his autobiography. He was fairly badly "dope-sick" after a short initial run like that. He didn't have a clue what it was, he just thought he'd got the flu or something. But each time he did a run like that, the w/ds get progressively worse.
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It takes weeks to get your first habit then -for me -2-3 days subsequently. I didn't have to 'push through' any unpleasantness to achieve my first habit, every day getting high as a kite. And yes once obtained one needs to maintain, to quell Wd's but personally I always got stoned every day.
steewith2ees
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Ok, so you are probably correct with respect to that term kind of overstating things but I genuinely found heroin use somewhat self limiting for the 2 or so odd years that I was using it regularly though still prior to developing an actual habit - as part of my weekending ritual which saw its use follow what would have been a day or threes continuous use of stimulants and hallucinogens (including cannabis) I would still find myself losing interest by day 3 or so, having eventually developed a splitting headache and diminished effect. The word 'push' may not be the most appropriate term to describe how I eventually transitioned through increased tolerance to total dependence, but while concepts such as effort may be an overstatement regarding this period in my heroin use I feel that its fair to at least imply some commitment on the behalf of most users to end up in what should be the most avoidable example of problematic drug use.
TheUltimateFixx
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... And then the nice men in the white coats come and take you away.On a psychedelic you're out in nature shouting "Hello birds! Hello trees!"
axe battler
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I fairly recently witnessed an acquaintance cook up a shot with minimal water, then draw the very dark brown and grainy liquid in his pin, pull up a sleeve to reveal a very grimy arm riddled with scarring across where his veins used to be, and shoot the vile sludge into a scar. He pulled out the needle and then started scratching and poking at an abscess on another spot on the same arm. Now that's a step too far.
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This instantly made me think of Requiem for a Dream and what ended up happening to that guys arm as a result of that kind of thing.
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Yeah the kid in question didn't use filters for anything, he also did a shot of coke in the same 10 mins, and didn't filter that either - not as bad but still pretty bad. I told him to see a doctor but he probably won't unless he's carted away in an ambulance with sepsis. Made me take stock a bit.
Fuck it - maybe I was wrong! Im a-gonna get me a grip of magic and snort it till the wheels come off!
I think the best opiate feeling I ever had was the first poppy tea I ever had. I thought I was Thomas de Quincey.
I remember bumping into an old drug buddy and he had ended up a heroin addict - white kid with big dreadlocks and very skinny. I asked him what his life was like and he said "miserable. Chasing gear then nodding out". The very first time I ever met him was through work and he must've thought I was as square as all the other older guys there and went "I've had a drug problem..." and I smiled and said "What kind of drugs?" and he said " Ive been trying to find acid for years" and I replied "You dont know it yet but this is your lucky day". He was totally different then - always sad to see how he ended up.
I think the best opiate feeling I ever had was the first poppy tea I ever had. I thought I was Thomas de Quincey.
I remember bumping into an old drug buddy and he had ended up a heroin addict - white kid with big dreadlocks and very skinny. I asked him what his life was like and he said "miserable. Chasing gear then nodding out". The very first time I ever met him was through work and he must've thought I was as square as all the other older guys there and went "I've had a drug problem..." and I smiled and said "What kind of drugs?" and he said " Ive been trying to find acid for years" and I replied "You dont know it yet but this is your lucky day". He was totally different then - always sad to see how he ended up.
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Bleaney
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If it was possible to click 3 emoticons Ismene, your post would have got 2 laughs and a sad face.
From what I've seen of your posts, I just don't think you are wired for heroin. Full stop. You'll probably have to try very hard and be very persistent to ever get anything out of it.
KInd of similar myself, in that I don't seem to be wired for instant gratification by heroin at least.
Gabas of all kinds are much more my thing, although I was extremely partial to ODT and Kratom.
Wiring / individual brain chemistry / YMMV etc etc.
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Heroin never got me but speed did for me Bleaney - made a complete wreck of me. I never realised it sends you crazy. Thats the only time "drugs started taking me". (Albert Goldman once said about Elvis "The key moment in any mans drug history is not when he starts taking drugs, it is when the drugs start taking him").
I never grasped that you dont realise you're going mad - it seems to make sense to you at the time. Been 3 years since I touched uppers and never touching them again.
I never grasped that you dont realise you're going mad - it seems to make sense to you at the time. Been 3 years since I touched uppers and never touching them again.