Misc injecting Heroin without the other ingredients (filter, lemon juice, heat)?

[jmf0st3r]

My friend has been smoking it foor a few months but wants to try injecting (she said she'll only do it once to see what it's like) but I've looked up how to do it and it says stuff about cotton wool, boiled water and lemon juice n stuff but she said all that isn;t important just heating it on a spoon and injecting it? is it true?

I want to be with her when she does it so she doesn't feel alone,

it's a powdery browny colour and has a tar color when it's burned on foil if that helps incase you do diff things with diff types?

so is she right or do you need the other ingredients? what would happen if she didn't use them?

thanks

 

[Mora Fiend]

Depends on the type of heroin, is it tar or powder?

If it's powder then all you need is water, cotton and a syringe.

1. Dump the dope into a spoon
2. Mix in about 20-30 units of water
3. Squeeze a small piece of cotton up into a ball
4. Suck up the liquid with the syringe.
5. Inject.

If you just try heating up powder it will begin to smoke.

 

[donkeyPUNCH]

keep an eye on your friend too, if it's her first time injecting she could miss or have other problems, or, maybe worse... she could hit, and fall in love with the needle...

 

[k.dre]

Yeah, where are you located. If you're in Europe you get a different kind that needs citric acid (heroin #3). In the states you get black tar (BTH - West Coast and Southwest) and East Coast gets #4. I don't know what the rest of the world gets.

East coast heroin #4 can be prepped just like Mira said. However, in Baltimore it was common to heat the dope. I don't know other regions that heat the dope.

I don't recall the prepping procedure for BTH and #3

 

[amapola]

1. Dump the dope into a spoon
2. Mix in about 20-30 units of water
3. Squeeze a small piece of cotton up into a ball
4. Suck up the liquid with the syringe.
5. Inject.

This is correct however using a micron filter as opposed to cotton as a filter would be preferable. Also please notice how this method does not use heat of any kind. This is the correct way of doing it. Don't use any heat. All the stuff that you see floating in the water after putting the dope in is just cut and not actual heroin. You don't want it to dissolve.

This thread should make some good reading Injection; IV Complications and Information MEGATHREAD and FAQ II - show me the blood

In addition if she is just looking to get higher and more of a rush and has only been smoking heroin powder, snorting the drug will greatly increase the effects.

edit:

However, in Baltimore it was common to heat the dope. I don't know other regions that heat the dope.

Whether or not it was common it was unnecessary and harmful

 

[k.dre]

edit

Whether or not it was common it was unnecessary and harmful

What's weird is when I moved to the area I live now (MA) and I prepared it the way I used to in Baltimore people looked at me like I had 3 heads. I quickly found out that they don't prep it that way here. I still have no idea why they cook there, but I never saw a junkie not cook there.

But anyways, sorry for the poor advice with that one.

 

[jmf0st3r]

all I know is it comes as a brown powder type thing and when it'sheated on foil it goes a darker colour and runny, soz for not explaining properly, can someone tell me how she should inject this best?

 

[amapola]

^That was answered by Mora Fiend and expanded upon by me.

 

[jmf0st3r]

^ sorry I missed what you said, thanks, so she doesn'r heat then?

 

[GratefulDeadhead]

Yeah that sounds like bad news, but then again ive never tried it myself...

I agree w mora fiend. powder would be easier

mod note: please edit your previous post instead of immediately posting again.

 

[BrokedownPalace]

It depends where you live.. Are you in the US ? Or Europe? In the US, powder and tar both can be prepped just by adding water and filtering. But in the UK the powder is #3 Heroin, unlike the US. This needs citric acid added to it in order to make it soluble in water.

 

[amapola]

^ sorry I missed what you said, thanks, so she doesn'r heat then?

Right. You never need heat.

The brown powdery substance you have is likely black tar cut with some lactose.

If you try and dissolve it in cold water and absolutely nothing dissolves then I suppose it could be freebase and you would need acid but try it without first.

 

[donkeyPUNCH]

in Baltimore we heat dope because for some reason Baltimore is the only city in the US to offer what we call "Scramble" which is a normal $10 bag of dope, mixed with somewhere near a gram of cut. scramble doesn't NEED to be heated, but if its not, you feel like you aren't getting your moneys worth. I don't know what the common cuts are, but Baltimore dopefeens will tell you over and over again that scramble gives you a better rush. IME they're right. again, I don't know what the cuts are, or why they do what they do. but I've shot "raw" which is what they call "pure" (read: without a gram of cut in it) dope here, and for some reason the scramble does give you a better rush. it doesn't last anywhere near as long as raw does, you'll be sick within 5 to 8 hours of using as opposed to 10 to 12 with raw, but it's the more popular option here in Baltimore.

 

[amapola]

Hey BdP are the numbers the steps in making heroin? That would be so cool.

1-morphine compound
2-morphine compound
BT-incomplete morphine acetylation
3-heroin base
4-heroin salt

in Baltimore we heat dope because for some reason Baltimore is the only city in the US to offer what we call "Scramble" which is a normal $10 bag of dope, mixed with somewhere near a gram of cut. scramble doesn't NEED to be heated, but if its not, you feel like you aren't getting your moneys worth. I don't know what the common cuts are, but Baltimore dopefeens will tell you over and over again that scramble gives you a better rush. IME they're right. again, I don't know what the cuts are, or why they do what they do. but I've shot "raw" which is what they call "pure" (read: without a gram of cut in it) dope here, and for some reason the scramble does give you a better rush. it doesn't last anywhere near as long as raw does, you'll be sick within 5 to 8 hours of using as opposed to 10 to 12 with raw, but it's the more popular option here in Baltimore.

I bet the additional rush is your body kicking into an immune response with all the nasties flying through your veins

 

[donkeyPUNCH]

lol probably something like that....

 

[BrokedownPalace]

^Amapola - Yeah you basically have it right. Except black tar is also number 4 (Salt - HcL form) just minus the step to turn it to powder. I forget how it all works. I'll look it up to correct myself but i dont feel too hot right now.. Day 9 off methadone.. Out of fucking Soma and benzos.. Fuck me.

 

[donkeyPUNCH]

hey good luck man, I've heard 'done is the worst to quit. never done it myself but I had a cousin who jumped off cold turkey at 130mg. said his w/ds lasted 30 days.... fuuuuuck that.

 

[Mora Fiend]

I agree with Amapola micron filters are a godsend and should be invested in by anyone using IV as a ROA, however I also understand that to an individual that only plans on injecting once (good luck with that) it may be seen as unnecessary. That is why I suggested tightly packed cotton above other forms of filters I have seen (cigarette filters and such) because it is better than some alternatives, but if you do plan on using through IV anymore make sure to invest in micronfilters.

 

[adifferentcity]

if it smells like vinegar and you're in the western US/midwest?
its probably gunpowder.
cook it up till it's all dissolved and then pull through a cotton. gross, but that's how to do it.

 

[adder]

If you've got a freebase, simple adding citric acid won't do much (weak base, weak acid). You have to heat it. Of course the purity is at most 20% if we're talking about brown heroin present in Europe and heating makes almost everything dissolve. The rest is filtered for injection. One could also use a diluted acetic acid (actually easier to measure the right amount after doing math). If you don't want to cook it up, then the only way is to go for stronger acids and as you never add the right amount of acid, it's better to stay with citric acid or something else that's weak and nor harmful because you end up injecting a solution containing the acid eventually.

EDIT: Well, it's actually light brown, whatever. This is what I'm talking about. Actually light makes it a bit darker but very light stuff was weaker. And the color of the solution you get after cooking it up with citric acid is like water from public toilet...