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Hey. I'm keeping a vegetarian diet since 12 years and recently I have heard the body can have problems absorbing b12 orally, so I've gotten hold of some syringes and b12 liquid 1000 mcg and have injected this intramuscularly twice. And I'm told doing this once a week can be a great energy boost, which Id like since I work out regularly and am trying to keep clean from drugs and alcohol.

I'm a bit curious of the pros and cons of doin this, but I've found so many forums filled with so little knowledge, so if you know anything that can be verified, please let me know.

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j.
 
Well, it's water-soluble so presumably you piss out what you don't take in. 1000mcg is the doses that B12 sublingual tabs usually come in and that's way above the RDA. I assume that's done to make up for the low bioavailability but if you're taking shots IM then at least half your dose is probably wasted, unless you have trouble metabolising which is probably the reason a vial comes with 1000mcg in it. Normally, healthy individuals aren't the target market for intramuscular B12 shots. IMHO 1000mcg sublingual tabs work fine. They're a lot easier than having to jab yourself in the tricep and probably way cheaper too.
 
Just because you're vegetarian dosen't necessarily mean you need to supplement B12. If you eat any non-meat animal foods(dairy, eggs, etc) you are likely getting enough B12, and modern processed foods are fortified with B12 as well.

Very few people actually have trouble absorbing B12.*

Well, it's water-soluble so presumably you piss out what you don't take in.
Not at all. Whole-body turnover is approximately 0.1%/day, and quite a bit is stored in the liver for future use.

*Individuals with pernicious anemia, blind loop syndrome, zollinger–ellison syndrome, tropical and/or celiac sprue, strictures, and a few other conditions are most likely to have trouble with B12 absorption.

In case you were interested, I'm vegetarian and every now and then(about once a month) I place 1mg methylcobalamin under my tongue. :)
 
I've been vegan for about 4 months now, and find that taking a good 'b-complex' supplement twice a week holds me in good stead. More isn't always more, y'know?
 
ok, but b12 as an energy boost now and then, how bad can it be? cus them workout people insists that there is a slight anabolic effect to it.. not that im chasing anabolic effects, but since im living in a very dark part of the world that tends to make people very tired, maybe the pros outweighs the cons?
what do you think?
 
it is corporate myth that b12 is only available in animal products.

most of the reasons many plants no longer contain b12 or other minerals is that weve depleted many of the micronutrients in our soil (globally) and plants are typically "malnourished". conventionally grown produce is especially depleted of micronutrients, with GMO organisms have very low bio-availability of most nutrients. many vegetable products such as mushrooms, soybeans, barley, spinach... would contain adequate amounts of b12 if they were grown in restored soil.

given that bit, it wont be too many more generations before animals also are unable to have biomagnified / bioavailable nutrients like b vitamins, calcium and electrolytes, etc. that is of course, if us agri-activists arent thwarted from intervening. few outside of this political realm are aware at the damage done to the Earth's soil, globally. once we humans have finished off our slow form suicide, the Earth will easily restore such minerals in a few million years, so it aint so tragic I suppose.

that being said, plenty of oceanic algae contain b12. try finding a raw product which contains blue green algae. I believe raw nori also contains significant levels of b12. you would want to stray far from anything produced not according to organic standards, and anything pasteurized, or cooked in any way.
 
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Hm, I didn't know that about the blue-green algae. I've been having a tsp of milled chlorella in my morning smoothie, and it turns out that my B12 is thereby covered for the day. Who knew?!
 
it is corporate myth that b12 is only available in animal products.

No.

most of the reasons many plants no longer contain b12 or other minerals is that weve depleted many of the micronutrients in our soil (globally) and plants are typically "malnourished". conventionally grown produce is especially depleted of micronutrients, with GMO organisms have very low bio-availability of most nutrients. many vegetable products such as mushrooms, soybeans, barley, spinach... would contain adequate amounts of b12 if they were grown in restored soil.

No, the reason is that B12 is produced by bacteria, and today we grow plants in as sanitary of an environment as is reasonable. If plants are not completely washed, they can contain vitamin B12 -- but you'll taste grit.

http://www.ajcn.org/content/48/3/852.full.pdf+html

Is there nutrient depletion? Yeah, but this usually applies to selenium, manganese, molybdenum, iodine, etc -- not organic molecules, which have a short lifetime in soil as they readily degrade anyway.

given that bit, it wont be too many more generations before animals also are unable to have biomagnified / bioavailable nutrients like b vitamins, calcium and electrolytes, etc. that is of course, if us agri-activists arent thwarted from intervening. few outside of this political realm are aware at the damage done to the Earth's soil, globally. once we humans have finished off our slow form suicide, the Earth will easily restore such minerals in a few million years, so it aint so tragic I suppose.

Again, B12 is produced by bacteria, which, if tuberculosis is any indication, simply aren't going anywhere. The (currently proposed and not fully verified) reason is that B12, like other B-vitamins, is a big ugly complex molecule and it is not energetically favorable for macroorganisms to produce it.

that being said, plenty of oceanic algae contain b12. try finding a raw product which contains blue green algae. I believe raw nori also contains significant levels of b12. you would want to stray far from anything produced not according to organic standards, and anything pasteurized, or cooked in any way.

Algae are simply unreliable and may be counterproductive. From the top link:

"The wide range of B12 analogues from one measurement method to another indicates that spirulina has a wide variety of different analogues, many of which are inactive. Some may interfere with B12 activity in humans.

The one study measuring B12 activity in people fed a combination of spurilina and nori found that their B12 activity actually decreased "


It is very easy to ignore the facts, but it is not healthy.

In certain subsets of the population there are bacteria in the small intestine which produce B12. It has not been conclusively demonstrated that everyone has these. Human intestinal flora vary widely based on location and diet.

If you don't believe me, here are a plethora of papers re: b12 in vegans. Sure, all of these scientists are lying; they spent ten years in grad school so they could trick ideologically pure vegans into taking a ten-cent vitamin supplement. Also, the government is scanning your brain and you can stop them by wearing tinfoil.
 
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Not really. As mentioned, plant foods are only likely to contain trace amounts of B12 due to contamination from either microorganisms in the soil, in manure, or in the case of legumes I mentioned above.
The important thing is that plants don't synthesize it, as atara mentioned. Although I have to disagree with him on one point. I happen to think the B12 molecule is quite nice looking, not a "big ugly molecule" in the least ;)
 
Ok, No matter if there is vitamins in vegetables or not, I doubt todays major agricultural corporations have the best in mind for vegetables and people.
And I think the thread have taken a turn it wasn't intended to.. thanks everyone for your participation.
 
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