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Incognito market "extorting" everyone

Woodentops, Dibble, The jessop jessop jessop...I detest them.
they are scumsuckers. riddled with nonces, crooks, gangsters, wife beaters and all kinds of degenerates and they close ranks so no one speaks out and they are not held accountable.

i recommend reading Neil Woods' books or watching his interviews. he was one of the first undercover drug cops in the UK and has changed his whole outlook now, calls for legalisation, harm reduction and all that. he tells a story about being put in a unit with some other pigs but one of them giving off a bad vibe. he asked to not work with him. it turns out that the cop was put into the force by the big guy around the region, just like The Departed ffs. people have no idea how bad they are.

they cause more shit than they solve.

fuck the gavvers, the lodge, the spooks - all of them.

ACAB.

brass eye was good tho in its day but hit n miss on the nonce thing, even tho it was funny as fuck. probably wouldn't have been funny if written in this day and age, post-savile etc.
 
They will have made huge amounts of money from the exit scam. The extortion is just a little bit extra to try and trick some guys into paying up more.

If you've purchased drugs, and it wasn't large wholesale amounts, you're fine.

If you were dealing on there, you probably want to get rid of your stash and shut up shop for a bit.

I personally lost £15 on a strip of valium I'd ordered. Heartbroken.
 
Over here, if you sign to accept delivery of a drug package then you'll get busted for possession of drugs, because you signed for the package delivery. There really isn't more to it. Don't sign if you are worried

You don't have to sign for the package to get in trouble.

They can post the parcel through your mailbox and wait a little while, then kick your door off.

If the parcel is open and you've got a nose full of coke or you're weighing the drugs out into packages, that's enough evidence that you ordered them.
 
somehow broke into the Encrochat network

From what I remember it was a fucking amateur operation. There was one guy in charge of it all and he had the keys to decrypt all of the messages. People are still getting arrested for Encrochat shit to this day.
 
I once had a package seized 20+ years ago. I received a letter from customs listing everything in the package and instructions how to claim it, basically go to the NY customs office and show documentation I can legally import the items. It was a just a small amount. Threw the letter away and never heard from them again. Then around that same time I came home to a post it note on the door about a missed delivery, which I knew was more (medicine) I was expecting. Instructions said the post office was holding it so I actually went down and picked it up, was so nervous thinking it may be a set up but I got it no problem.

I wouldn't do that now, I like to think I'm much smarter now. Everything I order, if I were to not saying I do, would never have signature confirmation. Plus I wouldn't order large amounts of what ever to my house.

The Feds want to do a controlled delivery, they want the person actually accepting the package right from and under cover agents hands. Sure they can just put it on your doorstep and wait until you get home and pick it up and take it inside, but that's kind of a weak case because who on earth would find a package on there doorstep and not take it inside? The case has to be big enough to prove.

I was just reading about a woman in Florida ordering shipping bins off Amazon and what actually arrived were the bins but they had 65lbs of marijuana in them. the article said she was scared for days wondering if someone's going to break into her house to retrieve it. She called the police and wasn't charged with anything, thankfully.

I have never used the dark web, not sure how to even use it.
 
They've exit scammed as well Bleaney - they exit scammed first and then came up with the extortion idea a bit later. They made a post saying "You know when you encrypted your address with our system? Well it wasn't encrypted it was sent straight to us you silly bastards"
anybody putting their adresss into a market without PGP encrypting it themselves is a fucking idiot anyway
 
They make you sign for the package then arrest you
There use to be a protocol posted up somewhere and never signing for packages is definitely part of it. Than I believe it is write return to sender on said package and leave it by the mail for 48 hours or so. After that take it on a walk towards the post office; at least two blocks.

I am not a lawyer and honestly doubt that is a foolproof method; but there was logic behind it, at one point anyways.
 
@QuestionPoint no one is allowed to answer that on here.

From what I remember it was a fucking amateur operation. There was one guy in charge of it all and he had the keys to decrypt all of the messages. People are still getting arrested for Encrochat shit to this day.
Yep they've got probably thousands of cases and will likely sit on a few too. They got a few low-to mid guys in cities I know of plus a few bigger fish. Various forces have said they have years worth of cases but people are already trying to get their sentences squashed or whatever due to questions regarding the legality of how evidence was gathered. Lots of stuff from some of the "street reporter" types who mostly just read from news articles for anyone not familiar with Encrochat.

To be fair to the guy running it he did at least have the self destruct button and did give people warnings that they had been compromised. Some idiots just kept using it but evidence was being gathered before the guy even know AFAIK. Did he or anyone involved directly with him ever get caught? Cos he could turn out to be a major grass and loads of people ended up grassing anyway once they had their doors kicked in cos they shit themselves but some have challenged their convictions in court or have started to at least.

Imagine some of the biggest players, they will have closed networks for any digital communications and whatever tech types they have operating them probably won't know who they are even working for, all compartmentalised. These are the big guys who have mates in the Met and give people up to MI5, are members of the Lodge and all that..

Nonces use those kinds of networks that law enforcement can't even break into. But they seem to care less about nonces than they do about drug dealers. Fuckin scum, probably because so many of them are fiddlers themselves.
 
@QuestionPoint no one is allowed to answer that on here.

Nonces use those kinds of networks that law enforcement can't even break into. But they seem to care less about nonces than they do about drug dealers. Fuckin scum, probably because so many of them are fiddlers themselves.

The police have caught plenty of paedos by setting up fake kid porn sites on Tor. It's probably harder to catch the paedos as Tor is decentralised, which I don't think Encrochat was, and there's nothing going through the postal service that they can track,


 
The police have caught plenty of paedos by setting up fake kid porn sites on Tor. It's probably harder to catch the paedos as Tor is decentralised, which I don't think Encrochat was, and there's nothing going through the postal service that they can track,

TOR is not as opaque as one might believe if one has the correct tools. The US military and US Intelligence have been using the "dark net" way before the general computer user even knew the internet existed and they do indeed have the proper tools. In fact they created The ONION Router concept. Even if they use these tools they are not disclosed because it is more useful to have the general public believe that the Dark Net is as anonymous as most folks believe.
 
The police have caught plenty of paedos by setting up fake kid porn sites on Tor. It's probably harder to catch the paedos as Tor is decentralised, which I don't think Encrochat was, and there's nothing going through the postal service that they can track,


Yeah I've seen those kinds of cases. There's a good book on it called "The Darkest Web" by Eileen Ormsby which shows how some nonce site was taken down by using digital forensics (literally in one case by finding a user due to the term he used to greet people online) but the feds have to infiltrate which means letting the site stay up as they do that. They also let one keep running so they could catch people which they got a lot of criticism for. I can't think of a solution other than to chemically castrate the ones who are caught (that's me being liberal about it).

But what I was talking about are networks that are closed and only known to people involved. Encrochat was basically open to anyone who could get a phone and loads of muppets had them. But there are networks that are closed shell or whatever which are used for all kinds of heavily encrypted communications and are impossible to penetrate due to them not being known publicly (edit: by this I mean to people without the resources that the intelligence/military apparatus have and given that they created this tech) Even the nonce sites on Tor don't let people in unless the person trying to get in have that kinda filth that is "original". This means that the feds had access to and used "original" content to get onto those sites.

Where the fuck did they get it from? Naturly this caused a lot of outrage. They have taken out admins and users but they have also been complicit in the nonce shit. And like you say, running actual "honey traps" too.

Anyway, I wasn't talking about Tor as opposed to Encrochat because Tor isn't this super safe network as people have assumed, I was talking about the closed shell type systems that are used and I imagine that some high level drug traffickers have them and wouldn't need encrochat. If I was involved in the higher levels of drug trafficking I'd suggest paying some techie to create a closed off network that would only be knownand accessible to a tight group of people and orders would be given down the chain outside of the network using your average "gangster". In such a case the techie wouldn't know who they were working for and would possibly be murdered or at least could be at any time and the lower level people passing orders down wouldn't know who they were working for either (even if they thought they did). You'd need that level of insular security if you really wanted to stay steps ahead of the law and it amazes me how many people trusted encrochat given that so many idiots had those phones. A little crew of wannabes could get ten grand together and buy one and add it to their collections of guns that have been linked to 20 shootings or whatever lol. People were caught by sharing pictures of pets in their gardens which could be identified by the kind of garden furniture was visible and all kinds of stupid shit.

I hate this world and reading that book I mentioned made me hate it even more. We only know about the ones who get caught - the nonces that is, the drug dealers we may know of and we know to keep our mouths shut - so imagine how many don't. As for drug dealers, I used to say I didn't give a fuck but after that poor wee girl was shot and killed by a dickhead who couldn't shoot straight and shot into a house via a crack in the door in Liverpool, I say fuck the dealers too (this was like ten years after Rhys Jones and plenty more horrible cases don't make the news). The guy who did that was just a low level wannabe and I think he had an encrochat at one point even tho it didn't give evidence for that case. But after all that popped off and now with xylaxine being put into gear and whatnot, I say fuck the all as well. They aren't as bad as nonces but they are still complete scum. I'm no snitch but I think that grassing on a pedo is fair enough and I would stand by that.
 
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TOR is not as opaque as one might believe if one has the correct tools. The US military and US Intelligence have been using the "dark net" way before the general computer user even knew the internet existed and they do indeed have the proper tools. In fact they created The ONION Router concept. Even if they use these tools they are not disclosed because it is more useful to have the general public believe that the Dark Net is as anonymous as most folks believe.
Thanks for pointing this out. What I was trying to say in a roundabout way is that the "worst offenders" will use closed shell type systems that are only known by the people who are involved in whatever business is being conducted. It isn't always disgusting shit like noncery - terrorist groups might use them - but high end traffickers of anything valuable on the blackmarket will likely utilise tech like that. And the encrochat system did seem pretty impenetrable at first but the Gendarme got in somehow and loads of people have been caught, often via digital forensics. This was different from Tor but similar in terms of its intended use.
 
@pharaoh

Even non TOR traffic is visible if you have the correct entrance and exit locations, and the US military and Intelligence ( and probably other countries) have those covered. Physically in the US there are two NODE points (Mae East and West) that all traffic flows through. The NSA mirrors all traffic at these points and diverts the streams to giant data centers. All data has information in data packet headers that is a leak to source and target devices and it is readable with the correct software. Most routers, etc only listen to known patterns but there are devices that see all header info. The access to these devices is severely restricted both in terms of knowledge of their existence and ability to acquire one.

It's extremely hard to actually hide. The best one can do is appear as small and unimportant as possible so they ignore you.
 
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@pharaoh

Even non TOR traffic is visible if you have the correct entrance and exit locations, and the US military and Intelligence ( and probably other countries) have those covered. Physically in the US there are two NODE points (Mae East and West) that all traffic flows through. The NSA mirrors all traffic at these points and diverts the streams to giant data centers. All data has information in data packet headers that is a leak to source and target devices and it is readable with the correct software. Most routers, etc only listen to known patterns but there are devices that see all header info. The access to these devices is severely restricted both in terms of knowledge of their existence and ability to acquire one.

It's extremely hard to actually hide. The best one can do is appear as small and unimportant as possible so they ignore you.
Yep. All of this is correct and it reminded me of reading about some of the Sicilian mafia convictions. A big boss who had been on the run for 30 years was caught last year and died whilst in a coma, in custody (he'd been battling cancer). But of course we are talking about major international players who are able to hide from the law for 30 years. Obviously a large part of this comes down to how mafia-type organisations work (as they are called in Italy, a rough English translation) but also because sensitive, top level information is written on tiny little notes, a bit like how some communications are done in prison I suppose. But these hugely wealthy crime bosses who are responsible for much drug traffic flowing through Europe with the help of global contacts actually communicate their most sensitive information on tiny pieces of paper. This guy was worth millions, possibly billions and was at least connected to billionaires.

And yes of course, no digital connections are completely hidden and I enjoyed your reply with the actual technical explanations as to how this is the case. There are the closed shell things and people are good at hiding themselves but if their actions are discovered then of course the various tech arms of the intelligence apparatus will try and breach whatever network has been created. I think with the darknet markets, basically only bother for small purchases and always assume that you will potentially be ripped off during any transaction and that an exit scam may be pulled at any time. But as has been said many times in this thread, unless you are moving enough either way to the point at which law enforcement would bother looking into you then you pretty much have nothing to worry about. This silly attempt at extortion would've only fooled a small number of naive people into actually paying up and anyone big enough to worry about law enforcement would just clean up before anyone really got onto them (if they were a big deal, law enforcement would likely already be onto them anyway - think about big shots you know or know of and what you know about them, then imagine what law enforcement knows about them).

I saw someone in another thread who was talking about ordering small packages from The Netherlands to another country with a couple of borders in between (maybe even just one, would need a map to be sure). Small packages which make it through and law enforcement aren't likely to give a shit about a gram of heroin for personal use, especially in the more liberal of the western and Northern European cities. But what interested me is that this package came from NL, which of course has one of most significant ports in terms of global commerce (Rotterdam), whether legal or illegal. It amazes me to think that that gear may have come from the same supply that was the smuggled across the channel into the UK in multi-kilo shipments. Maybe smaller OCGs buy a brick and sell over the Internet. It's a complex market and supposedly the Moroccans run much of the trade in NL so it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that they have smaller gangs running drugs via darknet markets and who are able to run away to Morocco if things heat up.

Anyway, I find this stuff fascinating.

Edit: @Cheshire_Kat I didn't mean impenetrable by high level military/intelligence apparatus people. I meant closed off from "the public", as in most of us can access a darknet market and people could access a nonce site even via the hidden wiki. But there are closed shell systems used by highly secretive groups who try everything to keep their tracks hidden. But of course given that all of this tech was created by the military (the Internet itself, Tor and other similar systems to the latter) of course they could stumble across them, but I doubt any of us could (nor would we want to). Also I imagine that some of the peoe using closed shell type systems are actually a part of the intelligence and military apparatus themselves - I believe that they aid in facilitating much of the crime that they then investigate, much like creating conditions for a war and then going into that war. Iraq for example)
 
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There use to be a protocol posted up somewhere and never signing for packages is definitely part of it. Than I believe it is write return to sender on said package and leave it by the mail for 48 hours or so. After that take it on a walk towards the post office; at least two blocks.

I am not a lawyer and honestly doubt that is a foolproof method; but there was logic behind it, at one point anyways.

I think all those stories are just urban myths - if you've got drugs posted to you then leaving it unopened doesn't make any difference - the police are still going to come through the door and search the house. The only thing that matters is if they find any drugs in the house or you confess to ordering drugs. If they don't find anything and you've opened a package someone sent to you that you don't confess to then they don't have a case.
 
Nobody serious thinks that Bitcoin is anonymous or has done for a decade

Sent Bank to Crypto Exchange > Crypto Exchange to DNM > Feds find out BTC addresses are linked to DNM , they've got you

You can get around this by sending from the Exchange to a cold wallet that you got someone else to buy for you, buying the bitcoin with cash etc

XMR in general is a lot safer (Though from what I've heard there are potential exploits, but they're unlikely), a lot of DNMs only accept XMR or tax you for using BTC
 
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