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Immigration discussion

But really, is there a problem with all the illegals besides that silly old steal, rape, and murder thing?

Is there an issue with SSNs and/or the IRS?




Surely that's the only means by which they are getting gov't money, beside the cell phones and debit cars they are handed when entering illegally, no?


Ah, so the above says that technically illegal immigrants cannot get this funding...but they were. Got it.

Anywhere else is there an issue?





He found that 1.3 million of these illegal aliens are on Medicaid, and it’s just ramping. It’s just starting.

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The people put on Social Security who don’t belong on it are draining a system that faces bankruptcy in under ten years.

They found that thousands were voting, and they only looked at a few friendly states.

“And we looked at the voter rolls and found that thousands of them were registered to vote in a handful of states. Then we went further with those friendly states and found that many of those people had actually voted. It was shocking to us.”


No cuts to SS/Medicare/Medicaid....but eliminating waste and fraud shows a LOT of potential. :unsure:

Well, at least we've finally stopped the influx, and it's just a clean up matter for those already here.



 
You mean like Tim Walz in MN?



Ah yes, the internet go to of 'I am out of arguments so I will just shout 'NAZI!'.


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If the shoe fits, and I'm not out of any arguments. Shipping someone off to CECOT with no due process who's later found to have no criminal record in either the US or El Salvador is pretty gestapoesque if you ask me. Administrative error my ass. But I guess you're ok with kidnappings?
 
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Not the fact that they don't have protections of minimum wage and can be exploited?
Thank you for furthering my point as to why they need to be removed. Sounds pretty racist

They're probably just making it up, but who knows.
Riiiight
(866) 347-2423

I’ve got it saved in my contacts,
along with the number to my local field office. They get real busy

You enjoy being a rat-fink then, eh?

Go ahead and report the comment - snitches get what they get.
Done since you asked nice 😘


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In related immigration news, it looks like open boarders and lax immigraton policies are a right wing thing, and it's bad for the country according to Bernie Bro



Love that guy.

He didn't say immigration makes Americans poorer though (as the tweet suggests). The question was about an open border policy.
 
Thank you for furthering my point as to why they need to be removed. Sounds pretty racist


Riiiight
(866) 347-2423

I’ve got it saved in my contacts,
along with the number to my local field office. They get real busy


Done since you asked nice 😘


😆
I'm respecting your right to being a snitch and suggesting you follow-suit, while recognizing the inevitable outcomes of such an action.

If it would make you feel safer, I'd be happy to edit. Just go ahead and ask!

Also - rat fink is in the merriam webster as a synonym of informant. I'm not sure where the suggestion that this is flaming you comes from. Maybe you are just uncomfortable with the reality of what you've allowed yourself to become; a snitch.
 
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Thank you for furthering my point as to why they need to be removed. Sounds pretty racist


Riiiight
(866) 347-2423

I’ve got it saved in my contacts,
along with the number to my local field office. They get real busy


Done since you asked nice 😘


😆
I think you're full of shit. I found that number on Google in about 2 seconds.
 
Also - rat fink is in the merriam webster as a synonym of informant. I'm not sure where the suggestion that this is flaming you comes from. Maybe you are just uncomfortable with the reality of what you've allowed yourself to become; a snitch.

There are a LOT of terms in the dictionary that ought not be used here. Calling anyone names achieves two things, and only those things: It is used to irritate your opponenet (ie trolling) and it shows you have no facts to argue with anymore and are resorting to personal attacks. The use of snitch and rat-fink are simply that - calling names to irritate your opponent. If you believe it somehow advances the discussion, shares a different idea or perspective, offers alternate views or solutions, then please enllighten us. But use of those terms works counter to such discussion. Think of others what you will, judge them however you wish, but discourse ought remain more focused on topic, not personal attacks.
 
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Yeah that’s uh, kind of how I found it too?

Lmfao 😂
Why not focus on being a better human rather than messing with the lives of other people? Are you not capable of being successful if other people aren't oppressed enough for you to benefit? I am confident in my ability to be successful even if immigrants or the poor get public assistance. I'd gladly share what I have so that other humans don't have to suffer. We have enough wealth as it is.
 
There are a LOT of terms in the dictionary that ought not be used here. Calling anyone names achieves two things, and only those things: It is used to irritate your opponenet (ie trolling) and it shows you have no facts to argue with anymore and are resorting to personal attacks. The use of snitch and rat-fink are simply that - calling names to irritate your opponent. If you believe it somehow advances the discussion, shares a different idea or perspective, offers alternate views or solutions, then please enllighten us. But use of those terms works counter to such discussion. Think of others what you will, judge them however you wish, but discource ought remain more focused on topic, not personal attacks.
Fair points. I've edited it:
It seems like you enjoy tattle-taling on those who are vulnerable, and inserting yourself into people's lives rather than minding your own business? Where I come from there is an old community wisdom that 'snitches get' something that I won't repeat but that rhymes - it suggests that there are consequences that will ultimately come to those who chose to inform on others.
 
But really, is there a problem with all the illegals besides that silly old steal, rape, and murder thing?

Is there an issue with SSNs and/or the IRS?




Surely that's the only means by which they are getting gov't money, beside the cell phones and debit cars they are handed when entering illegally, no?


Ah, so the above says that technically illegal immigrants cannot get this funding...but they were. Got it.

Anywhere else is there an issue?





He found that 1.3 million of these illegal aliens are on Medicaid, and it’s just ramping. It’s just starting.

Searching for the Best Gold IRA Company? See how they stack up.
The people put on Social Security who don’t belong on it are draining a system that faces bankruptcy in under ten years.

They found that thousands were voting, and they only looked at a few friendly states.

“And we looked at the voter rolls and found that thousands of them were registered to vote in a handful of states. Then we went further with those friendly states and found that many of those people had actually voted. It was shocking to us.”


No cuts to SS/Medicare/Medicaid....but eliminating waste and fraud shows a LOT of potential. :unsure:

Well, at least we've finally stopped the influx, and it's just a clean up matter for those already here.




I hate to be that guy but I'd really like to see the official source or report on that. Is it available? Because that's fucking infuriating. Really grinds my gears...

I'm very slightly skeptical, because DOGE has also misidentified some cases of social/medicaid fraud and took it away from orphans. Legal citizen orphans. His team also lacks a bunch of qualifications and many are ironically immigrants themselves working off visas.
 
Hey @TheLoveBandit - Elon and you sit at a table with an immigrant. Someone brings over a plate with 100 cookies. Elon takes 99 of the cookies and then looks you square in the eye and says 'Watch out! that illegal is trying to steal your cookie'.
 
I have no problem with immigration as long as it's done legally and in reasonable numbers.

But giving out medicaid to people who don't deserve it, to people who haven't paid anything into the system yet, is ridiculous. The issue is close to my heart. I am on medicaid.

This is no longer the land of opportunities. I don't want freeloaders taking away from my American dream, which is almost gone entirely for me.
 
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In my observation as a immigrant to states from UK but brown . The first gen immigrants work on jobs natives wont do my aunt got over thousand acres inuuba city my wife inherited 5000 odd acres down the central valley who pick the peaches who does the thinking immigrants mostly Mexicans. The fir gen immigrants work long hours shit jobs but there kid get a education and become professional big up to all the migrant labor I seen no harder workers then Mexicans watch without them produce rot In fields no native born gonna pick produce
 
The first gen immigrants work on jobs natives wont do
While this is technically true in a large sense, it's also a bit of a logical fallacy. The reason natives don't do those jobs is because they are minimum wage, not because it's beneath them. The reason those jobs are minimum wage is because those corporations know there will always be immigrants desperate for any work they can get to fill those roles.

If you removed immigrants out of the picture, they would have a staffing crisis and would be forced to raise the pay, which would in turn attract natives to fill the roles.

Take a look at In n Out, they pay about 2x minimum wage and have all native staff. Their food costs less than McDonalds, is higher quality, and everything is better. Compared to McDonalds, where they pay minimum wage and usually have a staff that hardly even speaks English at all.

It's corporate greed, not the job itself, that is the issue with filling roles that "nobody wants".

A few decades ago McDonalds was staffed by all native white people. It's not that they don't want to do that job, it's just that they don't want to do that job for minimum wage. Especially in this economy.

It's a broken system created by end stage capitalism. Our economy is addicted to undocumented immigrants.

Just take a look at McDonalds in other countries, such as EU. Are they staffed by majority immigrants? No. Because they pay better over there, EU has better standards and pays its population properly.
 
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Why not focus on being a better human rather than messing with the lives of other people? Are you not capable of being successful if other people aren't oppressed enough for you to benefit? I am confident in my ability to be successful even if immigrants or the poor get public assistance.

I’m doing alright, but if you’re fortunate enough to stumble on one who actually speaks English, maybe you should be asking them why they chose to break the law instead of follow the same process legal immigrants have to follow and do it by the book? It’s a slap in the face to literally everyone and I will absolutely do my part to ensure these people aren’t taken advantage of by “well meaning” business owners while undermining our security

I'd gladly share what I have so that other humans don't have to suffer. We have enough wealth as it is.

Big difference between me and you and that’s fine bud. We don’t have to agree. You pandering toward some emotional appeals only makes me want these people out even more lol

Donate and spend all your money since it’s yours, I got no problem with that and you should stand for what you want, but for Christs sake don’t tell the rest of America they have to 😂



Someone literally let this one become a soccer coach😂😂😂


Look at how conveniently they stick that illegal tidbit towards the end of it, too 😂
 
I have no problem with immigration as long as it's done legally and in reasonable numbers.

But giving out medicaid to people who don't deserve it, to people who haven't paid anything into the system yet, is ridiculous. The issue is close to my heart. I am on medicaid.
Absolutely, there needs to be proper channels to go through that are accessible. We're stuck in a false dichtomy of "Open the floodgates to the hordes :: Restrict all access unless personally approved by Der Trupher" - Just like everything, the answer is not binary.
This is no longer the land of opportunities. I don't want freeloaders taking away from my American dream, which is almost gone entirely for me.
It is if you find opportunities yourself. I have had no issue taking advantage of opportunities that are given to me. Do I struggle at times? Sure. Am I guaranteed an easily life? No. I have a work ethic, and just because I'm born here and I'm white shouldn't mean that my life is more valuable and more well supported than someone with greater need.
 
I’m doing alright, but if you’re fortunate enough to stumble on one who actually speaks English, maybe you should be asking them why they chose to break the law instead of follow the same process legal immigrants have to follow and do it by the book? It’s a slap in the face to literally everyone and I will absolutely do my part to ensure these people aren’t taken advantage of by “well meaning” business owners while undermining our security
I have actually. I've worked with a few folks in therapy and heard their stories. Have you asked them why they came here the way that they did?

Your ancestors came here and took land from the peoples who lived here at that time, and you think that this gives you an unalienable claim to the ground beneath your feet? Check your privilege and your ego man, you're not special, you're fortunate. Act accordingly. Be generous instead of selfish.
Big difference between me and you and that’s fine bud. We don’t have to agree. You pandering toward some emotional appeals only makes me want these people out even more lol
I'm not pandering, I"m living up to my values. You have no values which is why you grovel in front of power... because you're too afraid to stand for anything that isn't given to you by someone stronger.

I'm a man and I'm not afraid to stand up for others.
Donate and spend all your money since it’s yours, but for Christs sake don’t tell the rest of America they have to 😂
I never said that - you sure like to project all sorts of misguided nonsense. You should read a book and take a class sometime as your lack of intellect and education are on full display.
 
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