Immigration discussion

[fairnymph]

Define good genes though. How do you measure "hard working"?

I think that most nations would be wise to favour immigrants with similar cultural and ethical values. I don't think the racial part is important but is to some extent a proxy for shared attributes that are important. I would prefer Australia to preferentially allow people from European countries over, say, Middle Eastern or SE Asian, not because of the phenotypical stuff but because of the greater likelihood of less destabilisation of the "native" societies via introduction of alien/conflicting ethical/cultural mores. So Western countries should be more hesitant in importing people from Islamic countries like Iran than they would be from countries like Turkey. And still preference Ireland over either.

I do also firmly believe that developed nations can extend a helping hand to folks needing a safe haven from whatever hell-hole they were unlucky to have been born in. There is a limit though, too many people from the aforementioned hellholes can just bring the hellhole with them. No one wants that, least of all those genuinely fleeing awful conditions.

Multiculturalism is...nice but artificial and foreign to humanity and so it has problems that we will need to grapple with before considering it a success or failure, and these problems may prove intractable to some extent. I just view modern societies as complex and fragile, with potential for destabilisation and fragmentation being the same as the potential for utter destruction. It feels good to say we live in a melting pot but the fragmentation and isolation that can result, for both native born and immigrant populations alike, has the potential to truly undermine a society and make it significantly worse rather than better. At the point in which the host society starts to crumble and shift its values to conform even slightly to those the host society is welcoming, that's the point where this should slow down or even pause entirely. When you get immigrants chanting "Sharia for UK!" is when you should start readying the boats and farewell cards.

There are genetic tests, but & psychological ones, as well as observone past behaviour, accomplishments, community involvement etc.

Culture is downstream from race, so it’s not that only care about phenotypes. There’s SO much more to race than obvious physical traits. But ofc, the mainstream doesn’t want to discuss any of that science.

 

[fairnymph]

so how about not-racist get one place and racist get... let's say, the moon.

You wouldn’t exist if it werent for ethnocentrism. Racism is a nearly meaningless phrase at this point. What do you consider ‘racist‘? Anyone who doesn’t love multiculturalism & no borders?

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

I would not exist if my dad would have shat his pants before intending to fuck my mom.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

this is really the feeling I get of your logic. It is arbitrary and enforced and does not hold any critical thinking. Fantasy world.

 

[Electrum1]

Yeah your country needs more Africans, logically

 

[fairnymph]

this is really the feeling I get of your logic. It is arbitrary and enforced and does not hold any critical thinking. Fantasy world.

It’s difficult to understand very high IQ people, totally normal to be confused, especially with the heavy indoctrination on this topic.

 

[JahBeeuS]

I don’t believe that’s how evolution works, but it still doesn’t change the fact that all creatures like to be with their own kind. But especially mammals.

Yea, so like - all humans (homo sapiens) should be with their own kind, being other humans (homo sapiens) - is the argument you're making here but then you seem to be suggesting that we forcibly remove individuals from their homes and relocate them based on the color of their skin and ancestry and to some degree cultural difference earlier? Idk the cultural difference is maybe the only leg you have to stand on here. But I think on the surface level cultures are constantly being modified and embedded with new ideas and behaviors. Whether that's by armed invasion, immigration, communication, trade, or whatever.

I don't study mammals but I think you'd find that Orcas or Elephants don't much care what color the other animal is or what shape it's eyes are or if it's from the a different part of the world (outside of procreation purposes and sexual attraction).

 

[fairnymph]

Yea, so like - all humans (homo sapiens) should be with their own kind, being other humans (homo sapiens) - is the argument you're making here but then you seem to be suggesting that we forcibly remove individuals from their homes and relocate them based on the color of their skin and ancestry and to some degree cultural difference earlier? Idk the cultural difference is maybe the only leg you have to stand on here. But I think on the surface level cultures are constantly being modified and embedded with new ideas and behaviors. Whether that's by armed invasion, immigration, communication, trade, or whatever.

I don't study mammals but I think you'd find that Orcas or Elephants don't much care what color the other animal is or what shape it's eyes are or if it's from the a different part of the world (outside of procreation purposes and sexual attraction).

Different races of other mammals absolutely DO prefer their own & typically shun others. And race is NOT just superficial phenotypic traits, no matter how much you’ve been told that by the media & want to believe it. AGAIN, surface traits are barely significant vs IQ, cognitive function, internal physiology, hormone levels etc.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

I don’t believe that’s how evolution works, but it still doesn’t change the fact that all creatures like to be with their own kind. But especially mammals.

You say this about evolution while in the same breath you deny the cultural evolution of migrating humans

 

[JahBeeuS]

Different races of other mammals absolutely DO prefer their own & typically shun others. And race is NOT just superficial phenotypic traits, no matter how much you’ve been told that by the media & want to believe it. AGAIN, surface traits are barely significant vs IQ, cognitive function, internal physiology, hormone levels etc.

When you say different races of other mammals, what do you mean? Elephants for example have a few different species.
Humans are a singular species if I'm not mistaken. Can you provide an example for my understanding?

I don't disagree that they tend to stick to familial, tribal, pod-like, communities and you see that in humanity. I guess if you aren't keen on what your community is doing - do something to change it or move to a community that thinks the same as you. It seems pretty simple.

 

[fairnymph]

When you say different races of other mammals, what do you mean? Elephants for example have a few different species.
Humans are a singular species if I'm not mistaken. Can you provide an example for my understanding?

I don't disagree that they tend to stick to familial, tribal, pod-like, communities and you see that in humanity. I guess if you aren't keen on what your community is doing - do something to change it or move to a community that thinks the same as you. It seems pretty simple.

Subspecies = race. Just look up animal subspecies - there are loads. The big cats are a good example. Many can produce fertile offspring together, but rarely do so.

I’d love to live in a highly homogeneous community. Unfortunately it’s almost impossible to do nowadays - if not outright illegal. It’s this forced multiculturalism that I particularly despise. Travel and learning about other peoples? That’s fantastic. What’s not fantastic is forcing incompatible people together, as is currently being done aggressively.

 

[skipjames]

Unless you like living in a hodgepodge of shit like Brasil

Look, at times I miss Europe but I ld rather keep living in Brazil than in the US. At least down here people kill each other over reasonable stuff (usually gang or money related) you don t have them psycho mass murdering fucks shooting random people on a weekly basis. There is racism here, but not as pervasive and obnoxious as in the US , women are hot, beaches are amazing, good quality drugs are available at affordable prices, if you have some money you are unlikely to go to jail for stuff like possession...I m convinced that there s more violence in an average american hood than in a Brazilian favela .

 

[skipjames]

Much of Latin America is already very mixed, with pockets of whites - so officially segregating them into their own countries seems best to me.

It would kinda complicate the relationship between me and my wife so I guess I ll pass.....

 

[jasperkent]

What really concerns me are the illegal aliens coming to Earth in spacecraft.
Are they criminals?
Are they taking our jobs?
Are they voting in our elections?

I want answers.

 

[skipjames]

Anyway , I ve been an immigrant since 2008, I moved to the UK first and then to Brazil. Still....

I don't

I just disagree with mass immigration

I think it's dangerous and stupid, and potentially malicious on the part of government entities that enable it

It depends on the mass immigration.
As I ve said in another thread, When Cardinal Biffi (RIP) said in 2000 that the Italian government should favor Catholic or at least Christian immigrants over Muslim ones because they are more likely and willing to integrate, he was treated like Hitler´s evil brother, but as an immigrant myself I don t think he was that wrong..... it s not even a matter of being Christians, in Italy there are a lot of Chinese that are more integrated than me, and Filipinos and Africans etc, 9 out of 10 if there s some shit going with immigrants it involves....North Africans. For racial reasons? Nope, but for cultural ones and also because differently from other groups they come alone, with no family and usually with a criminal records long a couple of kilometers.

 

[JahBeeuS]

Subspecies = race. Just look up animal subspecies - there are loads. The big cats are a good example. Many can produce fertile offspring together, but rarely do so.

I’d love to live in a highly homogeneous community. Unfortunately it’s almost impossible to do nowadays - if not outright illegal. It’s this forced multiculturalism that I particularly despise. Travel and learning about other peoples? That’s fantastic. What’s not fantastic is forcing incompatible people together, as is currently being done aggressively.

Monoethnicity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

there's a list of countries that could work - I'm sure you fit into one of those countries ethnic or at least ethnic-adjacent categories

 

[someguyontheinternet]

What really concerns me are the illegal aliens coming to Earth in spacecraft.
Are they criminals?
Are they taking our jobs?
Are they voting in our elections?

I want answers.

Surely they're coming to take our jobs. I propose we build a wall

 

[Conky]

Look, at times I miss Europe but I ld rather keep living in Brazil than in the US. At least down here people kill each other over reasonable stuff (usually gang or money related) you don t have them psycho mass murdering fucks shooting random people on a weekly basis. There is racism here, but not as pervasive and obnoxious as in the US , women are hot, beaches are amazing, good quality drugs are available at affordable prices, if you have some money you are unlikely to go to jail for stuff like possession...I m convinced that there s more violence in an average american hood than in a Brazilian favela .

I've heard Southern Brazil is better (less crime)

Particularly places like Florianapolis

 

[skipjames]

I've heard Southern Brazil is better (less crime)

Particularly places like Florianapolis

I live in the South (unfortunately not in Florianopolis, which indeed is an amazing place) and I actually prefer the Northeast but really saying that " Brazil is a shithole" is like saying " North America is a shithole, we are talking about a country that s basically a continent, there s everything here, from beaches to jungles to deserts to huge cities etc, even safety wise there are neighborhoods that are basically war zones and others that are safer than my old neighborhood in Italy..... of course my perspective is that of a relatively privileged person. Obviously I m from Europe hence I miss stuff that I ve always taken for granted (public hospitals that works, decent public education, taking a walk without fear of being assaulted ...) but at the same time if I was doing the same shit I m doing here in Europe or even worse in the US, I ld probably be in jail already and...have I already mentioned the women?

 

[Antares]

No, Whites built NA. It’s more theirs than any other race, by conquest, civilisation, & sheer numbers until recently.

Whites did not built North America. That's completely ahistorical.

Now give me one good reason why I should care about the fact that I, a white person, am both native American and also Persian ancestry. What culturally shared beliefs do I have with thes people? I refuse to live with these people, because that has not been the life I have lived. Will you now oppress me to get me into one of those communities?