I'm reaching the end of my rope

S-Dog

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Why is it, the more I need help, the more I reach out, the more alone I am? I have no friends other than two online. I don't have a close relationship with anyone from my family and the only relationship i've ever had, fell apart after close to thirteen years. I've now been to three therapists and I hated every one of them. All three told me that they're "different" which I now know means "I'm exactly the same asshole you've been dealing with".

I am so deeply unhappy with myself and my life that I can't put it into words. I have little to no control over my emotions at this point. I'm either crying for hours or I'm so fucking angry that I feel like I'm going to have an aneurism.

The only thing that's helped is pot but it's illegal in my state so all I have are what ever trash cannabinoids are legal for smoke shops to carry which changes every other day. The only thing I know how to do is medicate myself into feeling nothing and I just have to hope what ever the smoke shops have this week will get the job done.

I'm immobilized with depression and still spiraling but the only thing any one has to say to me is either "other people have it worse" or "just smile more"

I can't keep going like this
 
I know this probably won’t help but try praying.Really sucks you’re that low, try talking to a priest or spiritual person buddy,no matter how bad it is today, it will get better!Self medicatInt is not going to help at this point.You are not alone, God loves you and I really hope you get better, good luck to you brother and hang in there!
 
i don't have a whole lot of friends these days either as alot died sadly. my best friend is on the other side of the world and i wanna go visit but im broke. i havent had a gf since i got out of the psych ward 3 years ago. ive just not been in the mood to date anyone. i get along with my family alot better these days then i used to as well.

like i dont have alot these days but im thankful for what i have. i am free or as free as one can be under the oppressive capitalist system and i am alive. in the end thats all that matters really. As long as i am free and above ground it's not a bad day really.
 
Why is it, the more I need help, the more I reach out, the more alone I am? I have no friends other than two online. I don't have a close relationship with anyone from my family and the only relationship i've ever had, fell apart after close to thirteen years. I've now been to three therapists and I hated every one of them. All three told me that they're "different" which I now know means "I'm exactly the same asshole you've been dealing with".

I am so deeply unhappy with myself and my life that I can't put it into words. I have little to no control over my emotions at this point. I'm either crying for hours or I'm so fucking angry that I feel like I'm going to have an aneurism.

The only thing that's helped is pot but it's illegal in my state so all I have are what ever trash cannabinoids are legal for smoke shops to carry which changes every other day. The only thing I know how to do is medicate myself into feeling nothing and I just have to hope what ever the smoke shops have this week will get the job done.

I'm immobilized with depression and still spiraling but the only thing any one has to say to me is either "other people have it worse" or "just smile more"

I can't keep going like this
Hey there, I'm sorry you have been going through this <3

I noticed you tried some therapists and they didn't work. Also that you attempt to self-medicate but that doesn't always work either. Have you tried visiting a psychiatrist? Sometimes an anti-depressant or mood stabilizer can help with these feelings of depression and spiraling. Not saying you have to take these meds for the rest of your life, maybe just short term to help you get out of this funk. Maybe you've tried psych meds, I only noticed you did not mention them.
 
Why is it, the more I need help, the more I reach out, the more alone I am? I have no friends other than two online. I don't have a close relationship with anyone from my family and the only relationship i've ever had, fell apart after close to thirteen years. I've now been to three therapists and I hated every one of them. All three told me that they're "different" which I now know means "I'm exactly the same asshole you've been dealing with".

I am so deeply unhappy with myself and my life that I can't put it into words. I have little to no control over my emotions at this point. I'm either crying for hours or I'm so fucking angry that I feel like I'm going to have an aneurism.

The only thing that's helped is pot but it's illegal in my state so all I have are what ever trash cannabinoids are legal for smoke shops to carry which changes every other day. The only thing I know how to do is medicate myself into feeling nothing and I just have to hope what ever the smoke shops have this week will get the job done.

I'm immobilized with depression and still spiraling but the only thing any one has to say to me is either "other people have it worse" or "just smile more"

I can't keep going like this
Don't take any drugs, start exercising and meditate. The change will not come instantly, but the improvement will follow. If you are really depressed, out of every crappy antidepressant out there, Bupropion is the least damaging if you want to go to a psychiatrist. Or you could try phenotropil, which Russians used to treat every ill back in 2010.
 
Hey there, I'm sorry you have been going through this <3

I noticed you tried some therapists and they didn't work. Also that you attempt to self-medicate but that doesn't always work either. Have you tried visiting a psychiatrist? Sometimes an anti-depressant or mood stabilizer can help with these feelings of depression and spiraling. Not saying you have to take these meds for the rest of your life, maybe just short term to help you get out of this funk. Maybe you've tried psych meds, I only noticed you did not mention them.

You don't take psych meds for a short period of time. They're addictive and become a crutch like any other drug. At least with weed I can choose to take it or not and when I do take it, I don't have to be on it all day like an antidepressant
 
Don't take any drugs, start exercising and meditate. The change will not come instantly, but the improvement will follow. If you are really depressed, out of every crappy antidepressant out there, Bupropion is the least damaging if you want to go to a psychiatrist. Or you could try phenotropil, which Russians used to treat every ill back in 2010.

You just told me not to take drugs and then recommended drugs
 
You don't take psych meds for a short period of time. They're addictive and become a crutch like any other drug. At least with weed I can choose to take it or not and when I do take it, I don't have to be on it all day like an antidepressant
That's the thing. You said you weren't even smoking weed, just "trash cannabinoids." If I had to choose between trash cannabinoids and something that actually gave me a better quality of life, I'd choose the latter. Pick your poison, huh.

And no, psych meds are not a life sentence. You can taper off them like anything else. Some have longer half lives than others but unless you are on community order, you can ask your psychiatrist to help you taper off meds. You didn't answer my question. Have you ever tried psych meds? At least if you tried and they didn't work you would be able to come at me with an educated opinion.

I never understood how some people with depression, anxiety, etc will try every illegal drug they can find but somehow don't trust something prescribed by a doctor. Besides, unless you are on powerful anti-psychotics, you can still smoke weed and take many psych meds. I've done it for many years.
 
That's the thing. You said you weren't even smoking weed, just "trash cannabinoids." If I had to choose between trash cannabinoids and something that actually gave me a better quality of life, I'd choose the latter. Pick your poison, huh.

And no, psych meds are not a life sentence. You can taper off them like anything else. Some have longer half lives than others but unless you are on community order, you can ask your psychiatrist to help you taper off meds. You didn't answer my question. Have you ever tried psych meds? At least if you tried and they didn't work you would be able to come at me with an educated opinion.

I never understood how some people with depression, anxiety, etc will try every illegal drug they can find but somehow don't trust something prescribed by a doctor. Besides, unless you are on powerful anti-psychotics, you can still smoke weed and take many psych meds. I've done it for many years.

I was put on ADHD medication when I was a kid. It was horrible. My dad's been on a few as have other's in my family. They all turned into zombies just staring off into space. at least my shitty cannabinoids won't cost me hundreds or thousands of dollars in doctor visits so they can jump me around from one drug to another. You never understood why people will try every street drug before anti-depressants? It's because anti-depressants are a horror show and so is the medical industry. At least with street drugs you don't have to beg your dealer to change up your prescription and then just sit there like a lobotomy victim when they say no
 
Why is it, the more I need help, the more I reach out, the more alone I am? I have no friends other than two online. I don't have a close relationship with anyone from my family and the only relationship i've ever had, fell apart after close to thirteen years. I've now been to three therapists and I hated every one of them. All three told me that they're "different" which I now know means "I'm exactly the same asshole you've been dealing with".

I am so deeply unhappy with myself and my life that I can't put it into words. I have little to no control over my emotions at this point. I'm either crying for hours or I'm so fucking angry that I feel like I'm going to have an aneurism.

The only thing that's helped is pot but it's illegal in my state so all I have are what ever trash cannabinoids are legal for smoke shops to carry which changes every other day. The only thing I know how to do is medicate myself into feeling nothing and I just have to hope what ever the smoke shops have this week will get the job done.

I'm immobilized with depression and still spiraling but the only thing any one has to say to me is either "other people have it worse" or "just smile more"

I can't keep going like this

What helped me, when my drug use was at its worst was figuring out why I was using drugs. It took a awhile, and it wasn't a straightforward process. Eventually I realised it was self harm - more specifically self punishment, alongside physical self harm and some other behaviours which are very detrimental to my wellbeing.

I don't have a wide circle of in real life friends I can see regularly. Most of my friends have graduated university and long since moved on and I'm lucky to see someone once every couple of months.

Family? Well I won't get into the specifics, but my sperm donor is a grade A cumstain on the face of this earth. I'm not in regular contact with him anymore, but he's still married to my mother and that complicates things a lot. I see my brother infrequently, and don't see my wider family much at all.

I actually made a fair few friends here on Blue-light who have been more supportive during the period of my life I needed it most, and who helped me out of a really bad, extended IV meth relapse for 10ish months. I met most of them on the discord server, but some on here. And despite the distance between us, I know they deeply care and that's something I have not experienced for a decent while.

Plus, I just started going to play dungeons and dragons and hopefully want to make a friend there. Maybe I'll get lucky and make two.

I'm Autistic, so relationships aren't really my thing, but I know losing a partner can be a really difficult process. Allowing yourself time to grieve the relationship is important. It took me around a year to get over losing my closest friend over something dumb (longer than normal because he never gave a legitimate reason, the situation was just a complete disaster and my autism sort of needs a logical reason to accept things).

It's not a competition of who has it worse. There are plenty of people who have had it worse than me and I have had it pretty bad. That doesn't mean that my suffering is invalid.

If you are in a situation where you are somehow actively making your mental health worse by causing your own distress that would be different, but I'm not entirely sure how one can do that except for the few rare instances that come to mind which even then, it's really a matter of helping people see that things are not as bad as they seem. But I've rarely seen this amongst drug users.

The pharmaceutical industry is not all a sham. For people with severe mental illness like schizophrenia, schizoaffective, and bipolar with psychosis (like myself) medication is life saving. I don't have terrible side effects from antipsychotics or mood stabiliser medication. Weed, however, gives me horrifying psychosis when I smoke it without fail.

To each their own.

However, I would suggest that if you find psychiatrists and psychologists not to your liking, perhaps searching for a social worker would be more of a better fit. I have had more help from two social workers I have for support (one is a trauma informed AOD counsellor, the other a behaviour support practitioner) and someone who is 'only' a mental health counselor who specialises in CSA victim counselling.

They tend to have a more holistic view on 'treating' people, if you can call it treatment. It's more sort of work you do together with them, my AOD worker would bring his Brene Brown books in for me to read, give me specialised worksheets for homework, and stuff like that. It's really driven by my goals, and what I've identified as my problems rather than anything diagnosis based.

Just putting it out there.
 
You don't take psych meds for a short period of time. They're addictive and become a crutch like any other drug. At least with weed I can choose to take it or not and when I do take it, I don't have to be on it all day like an antidepressant

I have gone off and on many psych meds including antidepressant, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers and benzos. So no thwy are not for life
 
When my wife of 30 years died, I was put on Prozac,I know everyone is different but that drug probably saved my life as I was seriosly thinking about ending it all. I tried talking my mother into going on it when she was going through terrible depression. When you feel that bad, try to get help, like I said, tomorrow will get better, can’t get any worse, good luck buddy!
 
However, I would suggest that if you find psychiatrists and psychologists not to your liking, perhaps searching for a social worker would be more of a better fit. I have had more help from two social workers I have for support (one is a trauma informed AOD counsellor, the other a behaviour support practitioner) and someone who is 'only' a mental health counselor who specialises in CSA victim counselling.

Social workers are ALL I find. I've been looking for psychiatrists and psychologists but all I get are social workers who intentionally obscure that that's what they are. psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers all use the label "therapist" and the whole industry is so obtuse about it that I can only imagine it's on purpose. Three of the four therapists i've seen, I didn't even know they where social workers until I met with them even though I made sure to look them up before hand. I had to be sitting in front of them, asking probing questions before I got any sort of answers as to what they actually are and what their qualifications are. Their answers are also never straight forward. I just feel like they're trying to sell me on their services above psychiatrists and psychologists rather than just giving me a straight answer.

I admit that I'm jaded and deeply mistrustful of the mental health industry but it's not for no reason. My own shitty experiences aside, ultimately we're talking about an industry that profits from the suffering of others and has a built in conflict of interest. They have financial motivation to keep you in therapy as long as they can which is in direct conflict with actually getting you to a point where you can be self sufficient.
 
I was put on ADHD medication when I was a kid. It was horrible. My dad's been on a few as have other's in my family. They all turned into zombies just staring off into space. at least my shitty cannabinoids won't cost me hundreds or thousands of dollars in doctor visits so they can jump me around from one drug to another. You never understood why people will try every street drug before anti-depressants? It's because anti-depressants are a horror show and so is the medical industry. At least with street drugs you don't have to beg your dealer to change up your prescription and then just sit there like a lobotomy victim when they say no
Sorry if I sounded insensitive, that was not my intention. I too was put on ADHD meds when I was a kid and had a very bad reaction such that my parents immediately took me off. I have been on anti-psychotics that completely zombified me too. But I also understood that not ALL medications have those effects.

If you are using synthetic cannabinoids like Spice/K2 then those absolutely induce psychosis. The way psychosis normally works is that one doesn't even know they have psychosis because everything just seems so real at the time. I would 100% try a medication under doctor's supervision before taking something that has a statistically significant chance of actually giving me psychosis.

If you think all psych meds are "like a lobotomy" then I'm sorry, but you are simply misinformed. I'm not saying all psych meds are unicorns and rainbows but many are pretty benign compared to the ailments they are treating. I'm not telling you that you have to take medication, only pointing out a viable solution to your problems and attempting to dispel the misinformation you have encountered that all psych meds are the boogeyman. Maybe your family members were prescribed the wrong meds or doses that were too high. Like I said previously, if you don't like it then stop taking it.

Ultimately the choice is yours. You have the option to continue the status quo of despair and crying all the time or trying something that can fix it. But you are an adult and can do what you want and no one here will try to stop you.
Social workers are ALL I find. I've been looking for psychiatrists and psychologists but all I get are social workers who intentionally obscure that that's what they are. psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers all use the label "therapist" and the whole industry is so obtuse about it that I can only imagine it's on purpose. Three of the four therapists i've seen, I didn't even know they where social workers until I met with them even though I made sure to look them up before hand. I had to be sitting in front of them, asking probing questions before I got any sort of answers as to what they actually are and what their qualifications are. Their answers are also never straight forward. I just feel like they're trying to sell me on their services above psychiatrists and psychologists rather than just giving me a straight answer.

I admit that I'm jaded and deeply mistrustful of the mental health industry but it's not for no reason. My own shitty experiences aside, ultimately we're talking about an industry that profits from the suffering of others and has a built in conflict of interest. They have financial motivation to keep you in therapy as long as they can which is in direct conflict with actually getting you to a point where you can be self sufficient.
Yeah that sucks. Do you happen to have medical insurance? If so, I would go to your insurance company's website and search for psychiatrists. A psychiatrist is an MD doctor, not a social worker or therapist. If the website route doesn't work, then you can call the insurance company directly and ask for a psychiatrist in network near where you live. There are also websites like Psychology Today where you can search for actual psychiatrists that have a bio and credentials listed as well as insurance accepted so you know what you are getting. Zoc Doc is another site that works similarly. This is all assuming you are in the US.

If you don't have insurance, then the next time you see a social worker demand they find you an actual psychiatrist. That is a social worker's job, to "work" to help people find "social" help. I used to be a social worker but never misled anyone into believing I was something that I was not. But yeah, as a social worker I had a list of therapists, psychiatrists, and clinics I could hook people up with because that is what social workers are supposed to do.

I promise you the "whole industry" is not like this. My other advice is the next time you try to make an appointment, straight up ask the clerk if the person you are booking is an MD psychiatrist. If they say no or don't tell you, then hang up and call someone else who will be honest and up front with you.

If you run out of local options and are in the US, then you should be able to find psychiatrists who will see you by video chat online. As long as they are in your state, their license will be valid to treat you. My previous psychiatrist had an office 300 miles from where I live and I never met him in person.

Like I said above, you don't have to do any of this. I'm just trying to lay it all out to you as I've been through a lot of what you are going through. That said, these issues are subjective experiences so each of us has different things going on and different solutions. I'm only trying to help you find one solution out of potentially many.
 
Social workers are ALL I find. I've been looking for psychiatrists and psychologists but all I get are social workers who intentionally obscure that that's what they are. psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers all use the label "therapist" and the whole industry is so obtuse about it that I can only imagine it's on purpose. Three of the four therapists i've seen, I didn't even know they where social workers until I met with them even though I made sure to look them up before hand. I had to be sitting in front of them, asking probing questions before I got any sort of answers as to what they actually are and what their qualifications are. Their answers are also never straight forward. I just feel like they're trying to sell me on their services above psychiatrists and psychologists rather than just giving me a straight answer.

I admit that I'm jaded and deeply mistrustful of the mental health industry but it's not for no reason. My own shitty experiences aside, ultimately we're talking about an industry that profits from the suffering of others and has a built in conflict of interest. They have financial motivation to keep you in therapy as long as they can which is in direct conflict with actually getting you to a point where you can be self sufficient.

Hmm, honestly my experience with social workers has not been the same, and we don't call them therapists here that's why I suggested it, since they aren't qualified therapists where I live. They're social workers. I think we say they're counsellors? And therapists are psychologist and psychiatrists here. Sorry for the mix up.

One of mine, I saw him for 2 years through a free AOD outpatient rehab, and I did another intake for myself after I'd relapsed for 8 months after exiting the program and asked if I could see him again as I'd disclosed to him (a lot of trauma) and they said they could put it down on my intake the reason why (I was struggling with my last AOD guy I got, who was only on a strict 3 month treatment schedule and I couldn't ever trust him enough to disclose in that period of time so never made much progress cause my drug use and trauma are so heavily connected I needed to be able to talk about that and k never felt comfortable) cause they said it made sense. Said he was the senior Practitioner now and didn't do counselling anymore but he saw all the intakes, so they put that down. Couple weeks later got a random call not from them but him, and he said he agreed with my reasons and would make an exception for me.

The next guy, was a specialist counsellor as I mentioned and I was only meant to have 12 sessions with him. Now I think I'm up to around 16. He's indicated that at some point he'll give me a 6 month warning for when we'll need to move to seeing eachother once every 3 months instead of per month, then once every 6 months until I feel comfortable exiting on my own.

The third guy is my behaviour support practitioner who is a person who helps with really high risk behaviours of concern (self harm) and this type of therapy is generally seen as requiring a couple of years to be effective, depending on the person. He's probably been the one I have trusted the fastest because of how he responded to one of my behaviours I thought would be an issue.

To be fair, when you have a cPTSD background like I do, continuity in care is the key factor of recovery. You cannot recover from serious trauma, with ever rotating therapists or social workers or counsellors as one cannot develop trust with them.

It took me 6-8 years to tell. My psychologist, Psychiatrist and GP about my full CSA history. I just hadn't done enough therapy before then to do it until I did a free trauma group with other survivors and they heard me disclose and believed me then I realised people believed me.

The social workers I've had have just been so incredibly well trauma informed that they get disclosed to faster. The first guy was 8 months, the second guy 1.5 years, the third guy is almost at that point after 2 months, but I see him weekly for 2 hours.

The point with all the social workers I've had is to gradually stop seeing me, but not too early that it triggers me and causes a breakdown in trust. Even the other day the BSP emailed me saying my funding was out, so he couldn't keep seeing me on Friday mornings and I had a panic attack thinking I couldn't contact him at all, and barely read that he asked me to call him. So I asked to call and he did and told me he had good news and was trying to use a different area of my funding. But he was still going to do work for free to help me, so I know he isn't in it for the money, he's already been working for free for like 2-3 weeks.

My psychologist has told me that he will view himself as failing me if I'm still seeing him in another 5-10 years. The goal for him is for me to not need therapy.

My psychiatrist is the only one who I'll continue to need to see for medication review for bipolar, ADHD, and cPTSD stuff.

If you want a psychologist or psychiatrist bear in mind psychiatrists are pretty heavy handed with prescribing medication. If that's what you want, then great, but I did get the impression you weren't totally wanting AP or anything like that. They're essentially imo worse therapists than psychologists who throw medicine at you in most situations unless you get lucky with a good one. With a psychologist, I would really suggest trying to find someone who specialises in your area of need - my guy does developmental trauma and addiction, which was very lucky for me. He's my first and only one and Ive seen him since 2016. Had another guy through rehab the place run but he was nice to me and gave me free trauma therapy for a year or so however I wasn't referred to him. But yeah, if you have a certain diagnosis, you want someone who works with that otherwise it's a total waste of your time.

Looking for someone like my psychologist who doesn't really 'do' diagnoses could be good to, like he just views disorders as names for clusters of symptoms and will just treat people for what they come in presenting with what they wanna talk about, not a work their way through the symptoms. Plus, obviously his view to have me leave therapy.

Maybe phrase it as asking about what their view on diagnostic labels is, and whether or not their end goal of therapy is to have you able to be sufficient to support yourself without them within a time period acceptable to you, when you meet them. If you don't get the answers you want, move on.

Unfortunately, it can take ages to get a good fit. I've had some fucking shocking social workers too. One forced me to disclose my CSA to him by pressuring me even though I was only seeing him 3 months and didn't want to. Hated that guy.

I really hope you can find someone because there are good people out there.
 
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