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Cryptix, thanks for the report.
I have come across Lion's Mane before, but your description pushes me to the point of real interest.
I have just ordered some, and I will report my findings later.
Thizzin - you are welcome.
Don't consider yourself a nuisance, either.
Just having someone to talk to that really gets it can make a BIG difference.
It must be very difficult in real life, not finding a doctor that gets it.
That new girlfriend of yours deserves a trophy when this is all over - tell her I said so.
And tell her that it WILL come to a conclusion, one day.
Fyasko - good link.
And I agree, recovery could be very similar.
There are quite a few piperazines out there - some with more serotonin activity than others. Many of them have effects on serotonin and dopamine.
It would appear that the serotonin system is much less resilient than dopamine, so it can be assumed that pipe-induced psychosis is due to serotonergic damage.
Certain brain regions that are rich in serotonin are likely to suffer consequences (visual cortex esp.).
What is not clear is what other brain regions are susceptible to damage from pipes.
Without ever having ingested a 'pipe' I cannot really speculate.
Are the euphoric effects powerful?
Are feelings of empathy involved?
If so, then the PFC is likely to be involved.
Even if these effects are not commonly felt from pipes, it may still be possible.
We simply do not have the data available - MDMA has been studied extensively due to its early popularity and massive serotonin releasing capability.
I suspect that MDMA is capable of just as much, if not more, damage in high doses as any pipe.
But the complexity of interactions makes substantial research very unlikely.
The best research we will get, is probably going to come from users exposed to these compounds.
If early data is any indication, pipes do not generally cause terrible damage.
While many describe the effects as unpleasant and lacking the euphoria of MDMA, the majority of people that have been 'piped' do NOT describe the type of psychosis experienced by the OP.
That is a pretty good sign, right off the bat.
If it damaged everyone, that would be a very BAD sign.
I strongly suspect that the recovery period will be very similar to that of MDMA.
Thizzin, I hold to my assertion that 12-18 months is required.
Many drugs, not just MDMA, tend to follow this guideline.
There are always exceptions, but heroin, meth, amp, coke, and even SSRI users that have long-term consequences tend to see a substantial recovery within 2 years.
Coke and crack users stick out as the most common exceptions - more than other groups they display a continued lack of executive function past 4 years.
I have a friend that did WAY too many mushrooms, another serotonergic drug, and he claims it took 'about a year' to stop having anxiety.
I cannot say how much you will change, but I CAN say with near certainty that your anxiety and depression WILL come to an end.
I think the length of time for 'typical' recovery from ANY drug depends largely upon the brain's developmental capacity.
I remember reading an article that claimed MDMA injury actually induces a return to 'developmental' processes in the brain.
Once again, I point to infants as a guide. Doesn't it take them about 2 years to start walking and eating real food? Not to mention stop shitting on themselves?
Thizzin - 1-2 years is a realistic timeline.
The vast majority of ALL drug users experience a REAL recovery within 2 years of abstinence.
Abstinence is a very important key word - some of the VERY long-term stories I have encountered, including on BL, involved people that tried multiple medications and other drugs to cope. Particularly in the SSRI group that I listen in on, I have observed that MOST members with 'permanent' issues interfered with the 'developmental' capabilities of the brain with other medications.
Somedud gives good advice on PTSD.
His change of attitude is admirable - take him as an example as to why you are going to be OK.
Things may have to get worse, before they can get better.
But there IS a better....no doubt.
I have come across Lion's Mane before, but your description pushes me to the point of real interest.
I have just ordered some, and I will report my findings later.
Thizzin - you are welcome.
Don't consider yourself a nuisance, either.
Just having someone to talk to that really gets it can make a BIG difference.
It must be very difficult in real life, not finding a doctor that gets it.
That new girlfriend of yours deserves a trophy when this is all over - tell her I said so.
And tell her that it WILL come to a conclusion, one day.
Fyasko - good link.
And I agree, recovery could be very similar.
There are quite a few piperazines out there - some with more serotonin activity than others. Many of them have effects on serotonin and dopamine.
It would appear that the serotonin system is much less resilient than dopamine, so it can be assumed that pipe-induced psychosis is due to serotonergic damage.
Certain brain regions that are rich in serotonin are likely to suffer consequences (visual cortex esp.).
What is not clear is what other brain regions are susceptible to damage from pipes.
Without ever having ingested a 'pipe' I cannot really speculate.
Are the euphoric effects powerful?
Are feelings of empathy involved?
If so, then the PFC is likely to be involved.
Even if these effects are not commonly felt from pipes, it may still be possible.
We simply do not have the data available - MDMA has been studied extensively due to its early popularity and massive serotonin releasing capability.
I suspect that MDMA is capable of just as much, if not more, damage in high doses as any pipe.
But the complexity of interactions makes substantial research very unlikely.
The best research we will get, is probably going to come from users exposed to these compounds.
If early data is any indication, pipes do not generally cause terrible damage.
While many describe the effects as unpleasant and lacking the euphoria of MDMA, the majority of people that have been 'piped' do NOT describe the type of psychosis experienced by the OP.
That is a pretty good sign, right off the bat.
If it damaged everyone, that would be a very BAD sign.
I strongly suspect that the recovery period will be very similar to that of MDMA.
Thizzin, I hold to my assertion that 12-18 months is required.
Many drugs, not just MDMA, tend to follow this guideline.
There are always exceptions, but heroin, meth, amp, coke, and even SSRI users that have long-term consequences tend to see a substantial recovery within 2 years.
Coke and crack users stick out as the most common exceptions - more than other groups they display a continued lack of executive function past 4 years.
I have a friend that did WAY too many mushrooms, another serotonergic drug, and he claims it took 'about a year' to stop having anxiety.
I cannot say how much you will change, but I CAN say with near certainty that your anxiety and depression WILL come to an end.
I think the length of time for 'typical' recovery from ANY drug depends largely upon the brain's developmental capacity.
I remember reading an article that claimed MDMA injury actually induces a return to 'developmental' processes in the brain.
Once again, I point to infants as a guide. Doesn't it take them about 2 years to start walking and eating real food? Not to mention stop shitting on themselves?
Thizzin - 1-2 years is a realistic timeline.
The vast majority of ALL drug users experience a REAL recovery within 2 years of abstinence.
Abstinence is a very important key word - some of the VERY long-term stories I have encountered, including on BL, involved people that tried multiple medications and other drugs to cope. Particularly in the SSRI group that I listen in on, I have observed that MOST members with 'permanent' issues interfered with the 'developmental' capabilities of the brain with other medications.
Somedud gives good advice on PTSD.
His change of attitude is admirable - take him as an example as to why you are going to be OK.
Things may have to get worse, before they can get better.
But there IS a better....no doubt.
