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If there is a god

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And it is only made of Good, would it rather us follow the laws of man, or his laws?

Like...to be functional in this world, we have to work, go to school, go through all the red tape in order to live the way we want to.

But, if the god made the world for us shouldn't we just be happy and live our life the way we want to?

I guess the only thing that immediately jumps out to me is that humans naturally want to improve their world through technology, and living a happy, simple life would be taking thousand of steps back.


For that matter, there's obviously evil the world so this god must be unable to destroy the source of evil, a devil. This leads me to believe one of two things:

1. God cannot destroy Satan and vice verse. Therefore, they are two entities that are directly overseeing our existence, and we are free to draw power from wither of them.

2. Satan and God are two halves of the same being. Just like humans, we have good times and bad times.
 
is there a another thread about "is there a god?" ?

welcome to the forum :)
 
And it is only made of Good, would it rather us follow the laws of man, or his laws?
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what are the laws of man? different men have different laws. what are god's laws? who decides what is good and evil?
 
The laws of man could only have come about by the eating of the forbidden fruit of knowledge. I remember hearing that God wasn't too thrilled with that choice.

Just throwing it out there.
 
^That God knows everything though, so he created us, and gave us the illusion of choice, while knowing all the time that he was setting us up for the Fall. I think that Judas is the unsung hero of Christianity; God knew, before Judas was born, that he would betray Jesus, and Jesus prophesied it, and that treachery (which he had no hope of not committing) was necessary for Christ's death and mankind's redemption, and yet he gets sent to the deepest circle of Hell for fulfilling his destiny! Jesus might have died on the cross for out sins, but Judas was damned to eternal anguish for them. Where's his parade?
 
Karma is the law of this universe, and our free will is how we choose to spiritually evolve or de-evolve by effecting our future karma living the moment how we live it.
 
saying theres a god doesnt answer any questions. it just poses another question which is what made god? is there a god god? is there a god god god?
 
Lazyscience said:
saying theres a god doesnt answer any questions. it just poses another question which is what made god? is there a god god? is there a god god god?
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maybe the existence of a god is irrelevant. Maybe God is everything occupying the collective conscious of humanity and encapsulating the moral relatives of nature--not a humanoid entity but a concept describing reason in existence.

The notion derived from 'god created man in his own image' realizing that god is like humans physically is in fact very elementary. Some might say that our likeness is that in spirit or nature relative to that of God's.

Existence of such an entity is scientifically unfalsifiable and rationally untouchable. Why debate it?

It is one very defining characteristic of humanity to search for such a higher being--spanning culture, belief, language and level of intellectual understanding. Decided conscious ignorance of 'the question' would be denying the humanity endowed to us by our parents(?)

ziggo said:
Karma is the law of this universe, and our free will is how we choose to spiritually evolve or de-evolve by effecting our future karma living the moment how we live it.
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free will, really?
Prove it.

I believe in karma, the 'Golden Rule' and Action/reaction enumerated in physics.
But science paints a picture of determinism...where is the proof for free will?
 
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all of your gods are products of your feverish imaginations. man made constructs, every one of them, from the beginning of recorded history.
your gods have more in common with tin foil hat conspiracies than rationale.
learn something and learn it well and that will serve you well in the life that you will live.
ignore man made dogma and simply treat others as best as you can manage.
life comes with no rule book but a good upbringing, coupled with a good deal of the genetic cards makes for an easy slide into home base.

i have a short fuse when superstition rears it's illogical head = apologies!
 
hobhead said:
all of your gods are products of your feverish imaginations. man made constructs, every one of them, from the beginning of recorded history.
your gods have more in common with tin foil hat conspiracies than rationale.
learn something and learn it well and that will serve you well in the life that you will live.
ignore man made dogma and simply treat others as best as you can manage.
life comes with no rule book but a good upbringing, coupled with a good deal of the genetic cards makes for an easy slide into home base.

i have a short fuse when superstition rears it's illogical head = apologies!
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Well sir, It appears you've done best arguing with your knuckles and thinking with schemas awarded you by other's independent thought in the past. You areright about that short fuse.

I give you no points for your response. Not as a religious person,agnostic, atheist, deist or nihilist.

You proved nothing except your own dogmatic approach to what you think is a philosophy for living and exposed your own narrow mindedness.

You have confidently bet on an issue you haven't considered; which considering probability is a surefire way to lose.

I appreciate, and so do others, your moral considerations, though that consisted merely a few words out of your reply (could anyone consider this a serious logical rebuttal to anything??).

Understanding many viewpoints--and yours it seems is atheist--take your considerations, enumerate your reasons for choosing the belief you do, and for science's sake don't blindly deride the rationed views of others!!!

A simple 'no I don't believe there exists a god' would have sufficed on your part sir--and take something from me; 2/3 of the world believes in those sorts of construct fairy tale higher existence. it would do you well to step out side of your solipsist thought and consider the viewpoints of others--irrational as they may seem to you.

I'll leave you something to consider:

Many(but not too many) years ago. Electrons were the smallest particles in existence, energy an mass were uncorrelated and each solidly invariant.
Well hello, albert, planck, bohr and others that dared to think outside of the conventions they were exposed to from early learning. there daring theories, abstract as may still be, now lay the framework for our understanding of particle dynamics, astrophysics and literally everything as everything is composed of the elementary quantum relationships they enumerated.

So that(and alot more currently) is at the forefront of a secular understanding of existence.
It is in flux. It will change.

can you challenge yourself to think outside the limts of the ephemeral laws taught you as a youngster?
 
Then came money, then cam unhappiness
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No, I'm pretty sure hunter-gatherers were unhappy when they were being eaten by bears.

Tempers running a little high in this thread, keep it calm and civil please.
 
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Lazyscience said:
saying theres a god doesnt answer any questions. it just poses another question which is what made god? is there a god god? is there a god god god?
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Why do you assume (i.e. reduce) god is an object of (or for) knowledge, as something one needs to have as a last explanation for the universe. (cf. Heideggers critique on onto-theo-logy).
 
If God is the all-powerful creator, then obviously he DOES want us to follow the laws of man. Because we do. And we are God's perfect creation.
 
if there is then why did he send us his son to die so he could forgive us for our sins? why not just forgive us anyway? what a dick.
 
The universe is infinite. God is infinite and perfect. Everything is god.

We are FAR FROM PERFECT! Just because we are from god does not mean that we are perfect. Only god is perfect because god is infinite, and that which is infinite must be perfect because it possesses all aspects possible.

Theres as many theories on philosophy as their are people. If youre ACTUALLY INTERESTED, and not just interested at a glance over, READ SOME!

Descarte, Spinoza, Hume, the list is endless. READ THEM! Get some new ideas whether you agree with them or not, and use them to shape your own philosophy.

Good way to brush up for my modern philosophy final in 2 hours.
 
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