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If Sarah Palin jumped into the race...

You just denied that China was a communist nation, so I think I am okay to be using slang terms

You clearly don't know what communism is, here's something very basic-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist

The first sentence-
"Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, and the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate."

China is a capitalist country, but it used to be socialist (never communist). North Korea is a police state built around Juche philosophy. Kim Jong Il is very rich while the people starve, I don't think North Korea could be called communist.

And Sarah Palin's a joke, she wouldn't stand a chance against Obama.
 
If she runs, everyone should register republican and get her on the ticket.
 
I still hold a grudge - they stole the god damn nomination and thus the presidency from her. All for what? An uppity Kenyan with a middle name "Hussein". Let's elect someone named Osama next time while were at it.
You lost any chance of being taken seriously once you posted this.
 
^Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. Something I don't understand is how Obama stole the nomination from Clinton. Arguing that he wasn't good to elect because of his name is just plain silly.


Mao was a communist. China was a socialist country, but it never reached communism i.e. a communal society with no classes or state.

More on topic, I don't see any very likely candidates for the republicans (as far as people who could potentially beat Obama), but Palin would just be ridiculous, it would be the best thing the republicans could do for Obama. I think Palin is part of the reason Obama won last time, she alienated the more moderate republicans who could see exactly how stupid she is.
 
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Palin would just be ridiculous, it would be the best thing the republicans could do for Obama. I think Palin is part of the reason Obama won last time, she alienated the more moderate republicans who could see exactly how stupid she is.

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First of all, I want to make an apology for using the word "uppity". Although what I meant by it was that he (Obama) was not ready for presidential politics and the world stage (unlike Hillary), I understand how some can take it the wrong way.

I was just a very passionate and hardcore Hillary Clinton supporter and the anger and crushing disappointment at her loss is still raging in me. Yes, I know it's three years later, but shit like this is hard to let go of (at least for me). The main reason that this anger has lingered on is because I truly believe the nomination was stolen from her (the shady caucuses, MI and FL deal, etc etc). She ended up with more votes than he did, but he had the delegate count. This is what is angering. She had more votes than any other candidate in a primary in all of US history and yet she wasn't the nominee.
 
She'd prolly get hit by a car.

Oh wait, you were talking about the presidential race? What a joker.

This made me laugh. Wouldn't put it past her.


Not enough to win. She's an idiot and a quitter.

There's no way Palin could beat Obama... at least not without a video of Obama fucking a horse or something.


'Lyndon was running about 10 points behind, with only nine days to go... He was sunk in despair. He was desperate... he called his equally depressed campaign manager and instructed him to call a press conference at two or two-thirty ( just after lunch on a slow news day) and accuse his high-riding opponent (the pig farmer) of having routine carnal knowledge of his barnyard sows, despite the pleas of his wife and children... His campaign manager was shocked. 'We can't say that, Lyndon,' he said. 'It's not true.' 'Of course it's not,' Johnson barked at him, 'but let's make the bastard deny it.'

Nor would I put this past her, either. These people are absolute heartless scum of the highest order.

We need a new system, but they'd probably just find a way to fuck that up as well. :\
 
Dude I don't think you could edit those interviews, clips, gaffs, etc. to make her sound more retarded. She's bottom of the basement stupid dude, get over it. She didn't cross anybody and there's no liberal media bias. She's just really really stupid and really over her head.

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bias quotes (not sure to the validity or context of these quotes)

article on MSNBC story

I dont fully believe that there is zero bias but fingers can be pointed to both sides about bias in news reporting. (Sorry for off topic post.)
 
I think it's more that the overall arc of any given news cycle is dominated by conservative thinking and arguments, even if the majority of the reporters are liberal leaning.
 
First of all, I want to make an apology for using the word "uppity". Although what I meant by it was that he (Obama) was not ready for presidential politics and the world stage (unlike Hillary), I understand how some can take it the wrong way.

What about the rest of it? Take the word 'uppity' away from your post and it's only slightly less offensive and worthless. You backed this up by talking a bunch of shit about Obama being less qualified than Hillary and how Palin would win half the nation. 8)
 
IDK what the OP is talking about when she says Obama stole the nomination from Hillary. He won more state primaries, 30, she had 18, Edwards had 2, and she conceded defeat herself, it's not like she was fighting to the bitter end and it was ripped from her rightful hands...You're only pissing your own self off OP. You gotta change your inner octave with respect to this situation.
He ran a more intelligent campaign, raised more money than anyone was expecting, had a highly efficient ground-crew, etc.
He stole the election from Hillary in the same way a construction worker steals his pay from his employer....or something like that...for chrissakes he overcame a HUGE deficit in poll numbers over the course of his campaign by using his intelligent managing style, and his community organizer roots played a large role in that.
What's wrong with being a community organizer again? The similarity to the word commune or something?
What I don't get is how you call Obama uppity, which you knew damn well was a racist slang, for not being experienced enough, yet you're seemingly indicating that Sarah Palin is anything BUT "uppity" herself.

There are many valid criticisms of Obama, nothing you posted qualifies as that, however.

Don't get me wrong, I think Hillary is going to be a great president in 2016 ;) She may even be better than Obama. I have a feeling she'd handle the utterly incompetent and unethical (to put it as nicely as possible) Congress much better than Obama is handling it. We'll have to wait and see.

IMO much (like +80% ) of what's wrong with Obama's presidency is directly the fault of the horrible HORRIBLE Congress we have demagoguing around right now (the inept/weak Democrats and the inept/idiotic/cynical Republicans), but he should be dealing with them, and connecting with the American people on issues that resonate with voters, better; and he should be framing debates much more in his favor than he's currently doing. But no Democrat seems to know how to frame a debate in a way that's favorable to them ever since Rush Limbaugh and the vast right-wing conspiracy started turning into a well oiled machine of lock-step talking points.
All the things that "the american people are fed up with" is stuff that has been carefully crafted by the think-tanks of conservative thought. It pisses me off when people are pissed off at stupid things for stupid reasons! It's hard to even really decipher what is a real opinion these days with all these people who are told what to think, and then say "god-bless them" to the people who do the telling.
That's a classic Democrat problem, however: They don't seem to know how to combat the fear and hate based strategies of conservatives that captivate the weak brains of the masses.
Clintons and Kennedys seem to be good enough to overcome this problem, Obama still has learning to do. I almost wish he did spend more time in the Senate before rising to the presidency to learn/polish that skill. So I agree with you there.
 
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What about the rest of it? Take the word 'uppity' away from your post and it's only slightly less offensive and worthless. You backed this up by talking a bunch of shit about Obama being less qualified than Hillary and how Palin would win half the nation. 8)

The Bible Belt WOULD be won by Palin - that's almost enough to win the entire nomination. Plus she'll get some northwestern states like Idaho and Wyoming and some southwestern states like Utah. That's my opinion on the issue.

You're Australian, what does American politics got to do with you, anyway?
 
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IDK what the OP is talking about when she says Obama stole the nomination from Hillary. He won more state primaries, 30, she had 18, Edwards had 2, and she conceded defeat herself, it's not like she was fighting to the bitter end and it was ripped from her rightful hands...You're only pissing your own self off OP. You gotta change your inner octave with respect to this situation.
He ran a more intelligent campaign, raised more money than anyone was expecting, had a highly efficient ground-crew, etc.
He stole the election from Hillary in the same way a construction worker steals his pay from his employer....or something like that...for chrissakes he overcame a HUGE deficit in poll numbers over the course of his campaign by using his intelligent managing style, and his community organizer roots played a large role in that.
What's wrong with being a community organizer again? The similarity to the word commune or something?
What I don't get is how you call Obama uppity, which you knew damn well was a racist slang, for not being experienced enough, yet you're seemingly indicating that Sarah Palin is anything BUT "uppity" herself.

There are many valid criticisms of Obama, nothing you posted qualifies as that, however.

Don't get me wrong, I think Hillary is going to be a great president in 2016 ;) She may even be better than Obama. I have a feeling she'd handle the utterly incompetent and unethical (to put it as nicely as possible) Congress much better than Obama is handling it. We'll have to wait and see.

IMO much (like +80% ) of what's wrong with Obama's presidency is directly the fault of the horrible HORRIBLE Congress we have demagoguing around right now (the inept/weak Democrats and the inept/idiotic/cynical Republicans), but he should be dealing with them, and connecting with the American people on issues that resonate with voters, better; and he should be framing debates much more in his favor than he's currently doing. But no Democrat seems to know how to frame a debate in a way that's favorable to them ever since Rush Limbaugh and the vast right-wing conspiracy started turning into a well oiled machine of lock-step talking points.
All the things that "the american people are fed up with" is stuff that has been carefully crafted by the think-tanks of conservative thought. It pisses me off when people are pissed off at stupid things for stupid reasons! It's hard to even really decipher what is a real opinion these days with all these people who are told what to think, and then say "god-bless them" to the people who do the telling.
That's a classic Democrat problem, however: They don't seem to know how to combat the fear and hate based strategies of conservatives that captivate the weak brains of the masses.
Clintons and Kennedys seem to be good enough to overcome this problem, Obama still has learning to do. I almost wish he did spend more time in the Senate before rising to the presidency to learn/polish that skill. So I agree with you there.



Hillary Clinton won the popular vote count. She holds the record for most votes in a primary for any candidate, Dem or GOP, in US history.
 
^...But that's the system that's been in place as long as there's been political parties, more or less, and she conceded to him willingly when she could've fought on with the same amount of righteous anger that you seemed to have.
I agree that the electoral college is a shitty set-up giving way too much power to certain states, not that the primary system is the exact same as the electoral college, but it has more than enough similarities to be equally condemned, but that's the way it is. It's not like a crime was committed against her (Unless you know for a fact that a crime was committed, then I'd like to see the article/sources).
You gotta accept it, just like we were told to accept the fact that Bush Jr. was elected. That was FAR more infuriating/criminal than this.
What can I say? It happens.

Plus, if you think about it, Hillary IS the more formidable politician, no doubt, but ANYONE inheriting the giant clusterfuck left behind by the Neo-Cons would've been bogged down with seemingly endless problems and a dead-weight Congress. She would've squandered her presidency doing stuff that she wasn't really intending to do, just like Obama has been forced to do.
Now, once Obama completes his tenure, she can inherit a slightly-less-fucked-up situation and possibly do much more good than she would've if she got the presidency in '08. She can improve upon Obama's health care plan, she'll be able to accomplish a lot more of her goals without having several URGENT and DIRE situations to deal with at once distracting her from her legislative agenda.

That's what I mean by changing your inner octave: if you play two notes on a piano or guitar that clash, often times raising the octave of one of the clashing notes changes the way it affects the listener, yet it's still the same notes. You can turn a clashing chord into an interesting and beautiful chord just by playing the same notes in a different way :)
 
The Bible Belt WOULD be won by Palin - that's almost enough to win the entire nomination. Plus she'll get some northwestern states like Idaho and Wyoming and some southwestern states like Utah. That's my opinion on the issue.

I can see red states voting republican no matter who is running in the presidential race, which might let this argument hold some water. However I just don't see Palin getting that far in the primaries, like I said earlier she's going to struggle to win even Alaska.

Everyone knows she's running, so I guess we'll see.
 
^She'd win a lot of the Bible belt, no doubt, but Florida is no certainty for her, Virginia and North Carolina were both won by Obama last time, as was Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Ohio, Iowa, and Indiana. And Arizona is a real prospect for Obama as well.

And lots of southern states went blue during the Clinton years, LA, ARK, GA for instance. PLus the fact that he took VA and NC, which even Clinton didn't do, means that the entirety of the Bible Belt is by no means a guarantee for someone like Sara Palin.
 
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